he said that for the stage 3 cams it would be 422 for the pair, and 407 for the springs and retainers....coming to a total of 829 plus 20 dollar shipping to nj which would be 849.....asked him what would the highest compression i could run and he sed 11:1...im guessing any higher and there would be clearnace issues?

 

I'm not sure on the clearance, but good luck. I think you're the first person to try the 3's(if you get em...)

 

Hmmm, only 11:1? Did Brian say anything about the specs? Lift/duration? Also $407 sound steep for H23 springs/retainers. Rocket offers springs and retainers for $20 less through Kteller:

http://www.kteller.com/store/i...5_138

This would be great info for my 12.3:1 compression F23/H23 hybrid cam selection. Going stock for now. Talk about undercamming my engine...

Pirate

 

i am have stage 3 for h23a,verry bad idle(1500rpm),this really full drag cams,go stage 2 for daily driver

 

Can you post a picture of the cam spec card that came with your cams? Or post the specs on the card like lift, duration, intake and exhaust opening BTDC and closing ABDC?

Also have you dyno'ed them?

Pirate

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raser5050 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have crowers' stage 3 camshafts for the h23a1, they have very bad idle(1500rpm?), the camshafts are really for full drag set-ups, go with stage 2 for daily driver </TD></TR></TABLE>

is that what you meant to say?

 

ADVERTISED CAMSHAFT SPEC.
IN: DURATION 252 :LIFT ,451
EX:DURATION 252 :LIFT ,451

degreein,correct only .050" tappet lift
intake : opens -3.0 ATDC: closes 37.0 ABDC
exhaust pens 45.0 BBDC;closes -11.0 BTDC

LOBE SEPARATION: 114

DURATION at .050" LOBE LIFT:
IN:214 IN: .244

EX:214 EX: .244


SORRY,I NOT HAVE CAMERA

 

im running 11.5:1 comp....i wonder if they'd work with my motor...i'd hate to spend $800 for some cams and ****, and have them mess my stuff up...

 

hmm.. 407 just for springs and retainers.... i got REV valves , springs, and retainers for 439. also before u buy those crower cams u should do a search on here about them. i read a post not to long ago about guys breakin crower cams...

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=989512

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raser5050 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ADVERTISED CAMSHAFT SPEC.
IN: DURATION 252 :LIFT ,451
EX: DURATION 252 :LIFT ,451

degreein,correct only .050" tappet lift
intake : opens -3.0 ATDC: closes 37.0 ABDC
exhaust pens 45.0 BBDC;closes -11.0 BTDC

LOBE SEPARATION: 114

DURATION at .050" LOBE LIFT:
IN:214 IN: .244
EX:214 EX: .244
</TD></TR></TABLE>

COOL! Thanks. Here are SUB-0 H23's stage one cams:

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=824994

And SUB-0 H23, lay off the grammer patrol, he lives on the other side of the world.
I wonder how many Crower cams make it to where you live raser5050. I can't imagine many...
Pirate

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
And SUB-0 H23, lay off the grammer patrol, he lives on the other side of the world.
I wonder how many Crower cams make it to where you live raser5050. I can't imagine many...
Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>

it does not matter where he lives, i still needed to make sure that he said what i thought he said

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raser5050 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i am have stage 3 for h23a,verry bad idle(1500rpm),this really full drag cams,go stage 2 for daily driver </TD></TR></TABLE>

damn...so what you trying to say? it idles at 1500? or juss very bouncy at 1500 rpms when driving? how were the gains? track time improvement...maybe a stage 2 would be a smarter choice for the street?

 

yeh i find that kinda pricey myself...i thought it woulda went somewhere in the 300 price rang, but maybe crower cams, work better with crower springs and retainers?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hOndafienD 04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">yeh i find that kinda pricey myself...i thought it woulda went somewhere in the 300 price rang, but maybe crower cams, work better with crower springs and retainers?</TD></TR></TABLE>

see the first time i was inquiring on the price, i could of sworn he quoted the springs and retainers at $325.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SUB-0 H23 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

is that what you meant to say?</TD></TR></TABLE>


yes,this right
I am from russia,soory my english
stage 3 have lope at idle and not less 1500 rpm,bad for street car...... I have plan to buy stage 2...............sale stage 3

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=862702

this man have low price for all crower product..........I recommend

 

lol the english teacher here....anyways i dont think i would sacrifice my smooooth idle for stage 3 cams.

 

i think i might skip on the 3's and get 2's....i mean i dun want that **** to sound all fucked up...unless is worth the power...dynos????

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by raser5050 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">


yes,this right
I am from russia,soory my english
stage 3 have lope at idle and not less 1500 rpm,bad for street car...... I have plan to buy stage 2...............sale stage 3
</TD></TR></TABLE>

no problems, i was not trying to be rude, i just wanted to know if i understood you correctly...

im going to dyno the lude sometime next week... im hoping to reach 160whp w/ the *new mods i did since early this year (i hit 146whp & 149 wtq) but we will see

*(IM heat shield, egr mod, crower stage 1 camshafts and a DC header).

 

im heatshielfd for the h23? where?! lol...i thought this was only availabe for h22....damn look at that torque..yum.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SUB-0 H23 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
no problems, i was not trying to be rude, i just wanted to know if i understood you correctly...

im going to dyno the lude sometime next week... im hoping to reach 160whp w/ the *new mods i did since early this year (i hit 146whp & 149 wtq) but we will see

*(IM heat shield, egr mod, crower stage 1 camshafts and a DC header). </TD></TR></TABLE>

Sorry for jumping on you bout the grammer junk. Sometimes HT members are super hard on others when they can't understand them.

But about your Stage one crowers SUB, I was looking at the cam spec pics and I was wondering if there is some sort of a typo on them. Are the stage ones really an advertised 290/296 degrees duration? That is REALLY serious for a stage one cam. Then later it says that the duration is 193/196 at .050".

Also am I reading it right that there is only 6.5 degrees of overlap? I guess I am not familiar with negative numbers when using ATDC. My friend's crower h22 cams use a little different wording.

Anyway I would love to see some dynos cause the stock cams blow after 5300rpm. Did you figure out your IAB problem? That should give you better torque before 4500
Pirate

 

how do you think these cams would perfrom with boost? im thinking maybe the stage 2's, and a simple turbo kit...nuttin too crazy

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PirateMcFred &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

But about your Stage one crowers SUB, I was looking at the cam spec pics and I was wondering if there is some sort of a typo on them. Are the stage ones really an advertised 290/296 degrees duration? That is REALLY serious for a stage one cam. Then later it says that the duration is 193/196 at .050".

yeah the #s do not seem right... should be more like a ~233 / 245

Also am I reading it right that there is only 6.5 degrees of overlap? I guess I am not familiar with negative numbers when using ATDC. My friend's crower h22 cams use a little different wording.

i am not sure myself

Anyway I would love to see some dynos cause the stock cams blow after 5300rpm. Did you figure out your IAB problem? That should give you better torque before 4500

yes the stock cams are weaksauce in the higher rpms... the IAB does not worry me 'cause the dyno (check out the link in my sig.) shows that the engine does not lose low-range torque

Pirate</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hOndafienD 04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">im heatshielfd for the h23? where?! lol...i thought this was only availabe for h22....damn look at that torque..yum.</TD></TR></TABLE>

try http://nextgearinc.com, i think they make 'em now... i bought the IM HS from a member from PO.com

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hOndafienD 04 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how do you think these cams would perfrom with boost? im thinking maybe the stage 2's, and a simple turbo kit...nuttin too crazy</TD></TR></TABLE>

you would have to call to find out