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2008 Honda Civic MUGEN Si High Speed at $29,500
2008 Honda Civic MUGEN Si High Speed at $29,500
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Built on the foundation of the Civic Si Sedan and tuned by the prestigious racing and aftermarket performance company, MUGEN, the Civic MUGEN Si Sedan adds a track-tuned MUGEN suspension, 18-inch forged alloy lightweight wheels, a full aerodynamic body kit with adjustable rear wing spoiler, a rear diffuser and a sport-tuned exhaust system. Powertrain highlights include the Civic Si's high-revving, 197-horsepower, 2.0-liter i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine with an 8000-rpm redline; a 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission; and a helical-type, limited-slip differential.
"The Civic MUGEN Si Sedan brings together the excitement of the Civic Si with MUGEN's legendary reputation for performance," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda. "The track-tuned MUGEN suspension further enhances the handling of the Civic Si Sedan."
The track-tuned suspension, tested at the Twin Ring Motegi racing circuit in Japan, lowers the vehicle by 0.6 inches with aggressive spring and damper tuning for enhanced handling performance while still maintaining a high level of ride comfort. Compared to the conventional Civic Si Sedan dampers, front and rear damping force (both bump and rebound) was increased between 8- and 24-percent.
Lightweight 17-pound 18x7.5-inch forged alloy wheels (27 percent lighter than the stock 17x7-inch alloy wheel) and high-grip BFGoodrich?2 g-Force KDW 215/40ZR18 summer tires help to create MUGEN's unique, rewarding and well-balanced handling performance character.
The full-vehicle aero-package adds a front spoiler with a sports grille, side skirts, a rear bumper diffuser and an adjustable rear wing spoiler. The sport-tuned exhaust system reduces back pressure downstream from the catalytic converter. The Civic MUGEN Si Sedan is available exclusively in Fiji Blue Pearl and includes front and rear MUGEN emblems. Inside, a MUGEN Limited-edition placard is located on the center console along with a MUGEN 50mm spherical aluminum shift ****.
The name MUGEN symbolizes Honda performance throughout Asia and around the globe. MUGEN, under license by M-TEC *** Ltd., of Japan, has been closely associated with Honda for more than three decades in the design and manufacture of racing and premium aftermarket performance products.
The limited-production Civic MUGEN Si Sedan (maximum of 1,000 units for the 2008 model year) is backed by the standard factory Honda warranty.
The interior design provides a performance-driving environment with the Civic Si's firmly-bolstered synthetic suede seats with red stitching, red backlit gauges and a leather-trimmed steering wheel.
The Civic Si's 2.0-liter, 16-valve, DOHC i-VTEC engine produces 197-horsepower @ 7800 rpm and 139 lb-ft. of torque at 6100 rpm. A standard close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission allows for quick gear changes with torque distributed via a limited-slip differential for enhanced traction in high-performance driving situations.
The interior's two-tier instrument panel conveys a futuristic design with quick-reference meter positioning and includes a rev-limit indicator light. A leather-wrapped steering wheel with tilt-and-telescope feature is standard. The 7-speaker, 350-watt premium audio system features a subwoofer, Speed-Sensitive Volume Control (SVC), MP3/WMA3 playback capability and auxiliary audio input jack. Additional features include a 60/40 split folding rear seat, one-touch power moonroof, red ambient console lighting, remote entry with security system, power windows, power locks, a dual trip meter odometer and a Maintenance Minder indicator.
Every 2008 Civic integrates a wide array of standard safety technologies starting with the Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure; side curtain airbags; driver's and front passenger's side airbags with a passenger-side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS); and dual-stage, dual-threshold driver's and front passenger's airbags. Active front seat head restraints are designed to help reduce the severity of neck injury in the event of a rear collision. Standard safety features include Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA?), an anti-lock brake system (ABS) with electronic brake distribution, front seatbelts with an automatic-tensioning system and load limiters, and a pedestrian injury mitigation design incorporated into the front exterior of the vehicle. Driver and front passenger seatbelt reminders and daytime running lights are also standard equipment. Vehicle Stability Assist provides launch, oversteer and acceleration-understeer control by modulating engine power and/or applying brake pressure independently to each wheel. VSA can be manually deactivated if conditions warrant it.
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Built on the foundation of the Civic Si Sedan and tuned by the prestigious racing and aftermarket performance company, MUGEN, the Civic MUGEN Si Sedan adds a track-tuned MUGEN suspension, 18-inch forged alloy lightweight wheels, a full aerodynamic body kit with adjustable rear wing spoiler, a rear diffuser and a sport-tuned exhaust system. Powertrain highlights include the Civic Si's high-revving, 197-horsepower, 2.0-liter i-VTEC 4-cylinder engine with an 8000-rpm redline; a 6-speed close-ratio manual transmission; and a helical-type, limited-slip differential.
"The Civic MUGEN Si Sedan brings together the excitement of the Civic Si with MUGEN's legendary reputation for performance," said Dick Colliver, executive vice president of American Honda. "The track-tuned MUGEN suspension further enhances the handling of the Civic Si Sedan."
The track-tuned suspension, tested at the Twin Ring Motegi racing circuit in Japan, lowers the vehicle by 0.6 inches with aggressive spring and damper tuning for enhanced handling performance while still maintaining a high level of ride comfort. Compared to the conventional Civic Si Sedan dampers, front and rear damping force (both bump and rebound) was increased between 8- and 24-percent.
Lightweight 17-pound 18x7.5-inch forged alloy wheels (27 percent lighter than the stock 17x7-inch alloy wheel) and high-grip BFGoodrich?2 g-Force KDW 215/40ZR18 summer tires help to create MUGEN's unique, rewarding and well-balanced handling performance character.
The full-vehicle aero-package adds a front spoiler with a sports grille, side skirts, a rear bumper diffuser and an adjustable rear wing spoiler. The sport-tuned exhaust system reduces back pressure downstream from the catalytic converter. The Civic MUGEN Si Sedan is available exclusively in Fiji Blue Pearl and includes front and rear MUGEN emblems. Inside, a MUGEN Limited-edition placard is located on the center console along with a MUGEN 50mm spherical aluminum shift ****.
The name MUGEN symbolizes Honda performance throughout Asia and around the globe. MUGEN, under license by M-TEC *** Ltd., of Japan, has been closely associated with Honda for more than three decades in the design and manufacture of racing and premium aftermarket performance products.
The limited-production Civic MUGEN Si Sedan (maximum of 1,000 units for the 2008 model year) is backed by the standard factory Honda warranty.
The interior design provides a performance-driving environment with the Civic Si's firmly-bolstered synthetic suede seats with red stitching, red backlit gauges and a leather-trimmed steering wheel.
The Civic Si's 2.0-liter, 16-valve, DOHC i-VTEC engine produces 197-horsepower @ 7800 rpm and 139 lb-ft. of torque at 6100 rpm. A standard close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission allows for quick gear changes with torque distributed via a limited-slip differential for enhanced traction in high-performance driving situations.
The interior's two-tier instrument panel conveys a futuristic design with quick-reference meter positioning and includes a rev-limit indicator light. A leather-wrapped steering wheel with tilt-and-telescope feature is standard. The 7-speaker, 350-watt premium audio system features a subwoofer, Speed-Sensitive Volume Control (SVC), MP3/WMA3 playback capability and auxiliary audio input jack. Additional features include a 60/40 split folding rear seat, one-touch power moonroof, red ambient console lighting, remote entry with security system, power windows, power locks, a dual trip meter odometer and a Maintenance Minder indicator.
Every 2008 Civic integrates a wide array of standard safety technologies starting with the Advanced Compatibility Engineering (ACE) body structure; side curtain airbags; driver's and front passenger's side airbags with a passenger-side Occupant Position Detection System (OPDS); and dual-stage, dual-threshold driver's and front passenger's airbags. Active front seat head restraints are designed to help reduce the severity of neck injury in the event of a rear collision. Standard safety features include Vehicle Stability Assist (VSA?), an anti-lock brake system (ABS) with electronic brake distribution, front seatbelts with an automatic-tensioning system and load limiters, and a pedestrian injury mitigation design incorporated into the front exterior of the vehicle. Driver and front passenger seatbelt reminders and daytime running lights are also standard equipment. Vehicle Stability Assist provides launch, oversteer and acceleration-understeer control by modulating engine power and/or applying brake pressure independently to each wheel. VSA can be manually deactivated if conditions warrant it.
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Blake Fuller Braille Auto - Test Drives the Mugen Civic Si
Today I actually had some time to tool around town and decided to go out and test drive some new cars.
The original intent was to check out the New Subaru Impreza WRX, but as I toured the local dealers I came accross a beautiful Mugen Si sitting outside the local dealer. I had previously seen these in flyers and even a coupe pre-concept cars, but something just seemed more special about it at the actual dealer. While I have not been a fan of the current designs from Honda (post 2002), this car really looks great. In fact, it was tempting to see if this car would be the close successor to the wonderful Type R.....
So out on a test drive we went. The first point I was looking for was to see if the "[porpoising]" suspension tuning would be on this car. You see, for some reason the new civic seem to bobble and [porpoise] down the road, which detracts from a composed feeling. The large dash and steeply raked window also adds to the sensation. To my pleasant surprise the tuning of the Mugen vehicles rebound dampening has almost completely dissolved this undesirable trait!
The brakes, which seem to be the same as the old Type R with different pads felt wonderful and the steering felt great!
The clutch has a soft feel with a very sharp grap in the last 15mm of pedal travel which would make for fast shifting on the track, but is difficult to drive smoothly at first attempt.
But, alas, due to the extra burden of all the extra body cladding and larger diameter wheels and heavy BFG tires, this car at best feels a tad less than peppy even between 7-8k on the rev range. In just putting [around] the car feels quick at 30% throttle around town, but seems to still be a lot of car for the amount of torque the car has......
This feeling was only amplified when just after the test drive of the Mugen Civic Si we went to the new Subaru Impreza. The 2008 subaru has all the torque around town, but then needs some breathing lessons from Honda above 6k on the rev range. I won't turn this into a comparison as that would take to many words, but for those that love Honda's and have not yet driven the Mugen Civic, it is definately a great car in a world of a Honda company gone Green.
To turn the Mugen from a 7 to a 9 out of 10 would require about 350lbs being removed from the car and scaling down from 18" to 17" wheels that would be lighter and less to rotate.
So, for those that are looking to take the Mugen Civic and make it lighter, I'd love to see it that happen!
BTW, if you want to know where the one we drove is located, which has only 16 miles on it, shoot me an email.
Here's how to start:
All weights estimated
Braille Auto Carbon Fiber Battery: -16lbs
Remove Front Bumper Supprt: -23lbs
Braille Auto Front Seats: - 40lbs
Braille Sunroof Replacement (carbon): -40lbs
Lighter wheels 17 x 9: -23lbs
Remove Spare Tire and Jack: -20lbs
Header: -12lbs
Intake: -4lbs
Rear Bumper Support: -24lbs
Under Rear Seat Brace: -20lbs
I don't get to post here often, but the new Mugen Civic is a gem of a car, and if anyone [who] buys one [is] in Florida, Please give Braille Auto a call, we would like to sponsor your project and be involved to make this happen!
941-312-5047
Blake Fuller
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Modified by George Knighton at 6:21 PM 11/13/2007
The original intent was to check out the New Subaru Impreza WRX, but as I toured the local dealers I came accross a beautiful Mugen Si sitting outside the local dealer. I had previously seen these in flyers and even a coupe pre-concept cars, but something just seemed more special about it at the actual dealer. While I have not been a fan of the current designs from Honda (post 2002), this car really looks great. In fact, it was tempting to see if this car would be the close successor to the wonderful Type R.....
So out on a test drive we went. The first point I was looking for was to see if the "[porpoising]" suspension tuning would be on this car. You see, for some reason the new civic seem to bobble and [porpoise] down the road, which detracts from a composed feeling. The large dash and steeply raked window also adds to the sensation. To my pleasant surprise the tuning of the Mugen vehicles rebound dampening has almost completely dissolved this undesirable trait!
The brakes, which seem to be the same as the old Type R with different pads felt wonderful and the steering felt great!
The clutch has a soft feel with a very sharp grap in the last 15mm of pedal travel which would make for fast shifting on the track, but is difficult to drive smoothly at first attempt.
But, alas, due to the extra burden of all the extra body cladding and larger diameter wheels and heavy BFG tires, this car at best feels a tad less than peppy even between 7-8k on the rev range. In just putting [around] the car feels quick at 30% throttle around town, but seems to still be a lot of car for the amount of torque the car has......
This feeling was only amplified when just after the test drive of the Mugen Civic Si we went to the new Subaru Impreza. The 2008 subaru has all the torque around town, but then needs some breathing lessons from Honda above 6k on the rev range. I won't turn this into a comparison as that would take to many words, but for those that love Honda's and have not yet driven the Mugen Civic, it is definately a great car in a world of a Honda company gone Green.
To turn the Mugen from a 7 to a 9 out of 10 would require about 350lbs being removed from the car and scaling down from 18" to 17" wheels that would be lighter and less to rotate.
So, for those that are looking to take the Mugen Civic and make it lighter, I'd love to see it that happen!
BTW, if you want to know where the one we drove is located, which has only 16 miles on it, shoot me an email.
Here's how to start:
All weights estimated
Braille Auto Carbon Fiber Battery: -16lbs
Remove Front Bumper Supprt: -23lbs
Braille Auto Front Seats: - 40lbs
Braille Sunroof Replacement (carbon): -40lbs
Lighter wheels 17 x 9: -23lbs
Remove Spare Tire and Jack: -20lbs
Header: -12lbs
Intake: -4lbs
Rear Bumper Support: -24lbs
Under Rear Seat Brace: -20lbs
I don't get to post here often, but the new Mugen Civic is a gem of a car, and if anyone [who] buys one [is] in Florida, Please give Braille Auto a call, we would like to sponsor your project and be involved to make this happen!
941-312-5047
Blake Fuller
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Modified by George Knighton at 6:21 PM 11/13/2007
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Yes, they're in stock now at the dealers who got one. I've heard from one dealer who wanted me to test drive it. I know where there is one in the DC area if somebody seriously wants to buy one.
It's interesting, but not interesting enough for this particular old man to be interested.
It's not a bad idea, but it's hard to put something like that together cheaply. Mind you, it's still cheaper than if you'd done the same stuff yourself.
Personally, I think there should have been more serious alterations to the suspension (spring rates and sway bar sizes).
But what do I know.
There are only 1,000 of them and I am sure that they won't have any trouble unloading them.
I think we should allow some polite discussion of this since people will be driving them very soon, if they aren't already.
It's interesting, but not interesting enough for this particular old man to be interested.
It's not a bad idea, but it's hard to put something like that together cheaply. Mind you, it's still cheaper than if you'd done the same stuff yourself.
Personally, I think there should have been more serious alterations to the suspension (spring rates and sway bar sizes).
But what do I know.
There are only 1,000 of them and I am sure that they won't have any trouble unloading them.
I think we should allow some polite discussion of this since people will be driving them very soon, if they aren't already.
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Re: (suicide_shift)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suicide_shift »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the theft has already begun
999 left!!!!!!!!!!!!
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999 left!!!!!!!!!!!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Thats just horrible, makes me sick
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Personally, I think there should have been more serious alterations to the suspension (spring rates and sway bar sizes).
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what do you mean by this?
It does have a so-called "track tuned" suspension....i.e. Mugen springs and shocks....
not sure if they did anything w/ the sway bars
would there have been more you would have done?
just curious
Personally, I think there should have been more serious alterations to the suspension (spring rates and sway bar sizes).
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what do you mean by this?
It does have a so-called "track tuned" suspension....i.e. Mugen springs and shocks....
not sure if they did anything w/ the sway bars
would there have been more you would have done?
just curious
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Re: (e6state3)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by suicide_shift »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the theft has already begun
999 left!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Not really. They'll just re-order the stolen parts and sell the car for the same price.
But it's still funny though. Serves the dealer right for leaving a car like that outside overnight.
999 left!!!!!!!!!!!!
</TD></TR></TABLE>Not really. They'll just re-order the stolen parts and sell the car for the same price.
But it's still funny though. Serves the dealer right for leaving a car like that outside overnight.
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Get used to the prices some people are actually buying them that high since its limited production people think its golden...maybe if it had more power instead of all appearance stuff but 40k def not worth it...
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Dayum right
its nice to look at but very under powered for the price tag it holds! 
Dayum right
its nice to look at but very under powered for the price tag it holds!
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Personally, I think there should have been more serious alterations to the suspension (spring rates and sway bar sizes).
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What else would you expect from a company which has decided that Type-R models are unsuited for the US market?
Personally, I think there should have been more serious alterations to the suspension (spring rates and sway bar sizes).
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What else would you expect from a company which has decided that Type-R models are unsuited for the US market?
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what do you mean by this?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Here is the Civic Si with the Mugen tuned suspension. I am not sure it should be in a close haul heel like this in this particular kind of manoeuvre.
By contrast, here is my track car, ironically also with a Mugen suspension (although it's a Showa N1 suspension).
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Although it looks calm, I guarantee you I'm pulling more G's than the Civic Mugen Si.
Smitdog w/his PIC suspension: http://is.rely.net/1-92-82923-...A.jpg
I dunno. If the Civic Mugen Si is meant to test the market for the JDM-type four door Civic Type R, then I guess it's a good start...as a test for Honda's return to the tuner market in the USDM.
Now that I think about it, maybe the OEM suspension'd DC2 ITR would've looked just like the Mugen Civic Si in the identical manoeuvre! I don't want to put my foot in my mouth, and I don't want to accuse Honda or Mugen of not taking proper care of USDM enthusiasts...but I also doubt that O'Donnell is going to let me drive the Mugen Si the way I'd have to in order to prove the suspension is at least the equal of the ol'e DC2 ITR.
Modified by George Knighton at 11:02 AM 11/17/2007
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Here is the Civic Si with the Mugen tuned suspension. I am not sure it should be in a close haul heel like this in this particular kind of manoeuvre.
By contrast, here is my track car, ironically also with a Mugen suspension (although it's a Showa N1 suspension).
http://is.rely.net/1-92-82932-...Q.jpg
http://is.rely.net/1-92-82931-...w.jpg
Although it looks calm, I guarantee you I'm pulling more G's than the Civic Mugen Si.
Smitdog w/his PIC suspension: http://is.rely.net/1-92-82923-...A.jpg
I dunno. If the Civic Mugen Si is meant to test the market for the JDM-type four door Civic Type R, then I guess it's a good start...as a test for Honda's return to the tuner market in the USDM.
Now that I think about it, maybe the OEM suspension'd DC2 ITR would've looked just like the Mugen Civic Si in the identical manoeuvre! I don't want to put my foot in my mouth, and I don't want to accuse Honda or Mugen of not taking proper care of USDM enthusiasts...but I also doubt that O'Donnell is going to let me drive the Mugen Si the way I'd have to in order to prove the suspension is at least the equal of the ol'e DC2 ITR.
Modified by George Knighton at 11:02 AM 11/17/2007
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Re: (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dunno. I think my money's going to be on the upcoming K24 + turbo (250 HP?) SH-AWD TSX for 2009.
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I thought it was going to be the 2.3L T from the RDX but a slightly modified version?
</TD></TR></TABLE>I thought it was going to be the 2.3L T from the RDX but a slightly modified version?
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I thought it was going to be the 2.3L T from the RDX but a slightly modified version?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know nothing. I see nothing.
I thought it was going to be the 2.3L T from the RDX but a slightly modified version?</TD></TR></TABLE>
I know nothing. I see nothing.
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I read it on Temple of Vtec a couple months back. I did a quick google search and found this... http://www.mobilemag.com/content/100/354/C13492/
Everything is rumors until Honda states it or we see it IMO.
Everything is rumors until Honda states it or we see it IMO.
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Thanks for the input G.K.
I see what you mean.....
However, I wonder how much difference there really is....Esp. w/ the shorter sidewall tires on the SI and the Mugen susp. setup.....
It would be nice to see the two compared stock vs. stock w/ a g-meter etc etc....
Hopefully, Honda of America blesses us w/ another R version....
I see what you mean.....
However, I wonder how much difference there really is....Esp. w/ the shorter sidewall tires on the SI and the Mugen susp. setup.....
It would be nice to see the two compared stock vs. stock w/ a g-meter etc etc....
Hopefully, Honda of America blesses us w/ another R version....
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my buddy just bought one a week ago because his dad works at a honda dealership and i went for a ride in it and it is really nice but........he lost a race to my friend against a 94 eg coupe with a stock gsr so idk 30k vs 3500 ?depends what you want out of it.
vs 3500 ?depends what you want out of it.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 96integralsvtec »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">my buddy just bought one a week ago because his dad works at a honda dealership and i went for a ride in it and it is really nice but........he lost a race to my friend against a 94 eg coupe with a stock gsr so idk 30k vs 3500 ?depends what you want out of it.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Where some of you guys come up with this logic, I have no idea.
It's not all about dumping a few grand into a rattling tin can for a lot of people to go fast and impress the high school girls. Some people enjoy driving new vehicles. What a concept.
vs 3500 ?depends what you want out of it.</TD></TR></TABLE>Where some of you guys come up with this logic, I have no idea.
It's not all about dumping a few grand into a rattling tin can for a lot of people to go fast and impress the high school girls. Some people enjoy driving new vehicles. What a concept.
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Where some of you guys come up with this logic, I have no idea.
It's not all about dumping a few grand into a rattling tin can for a lot of people to go fast and impress the high school girls. Some people enjoy driving new vehicles. What a concept.</TD></TR></TABLE>
X2 . A Mugen will turn alot more heads than a 94 eg coupe fart cannon. 
Where some of you guys come up with this logic, I have no idea.
It's not all about dumping a few grand into a rattling tin can for a lot of people to go fast and impress the high school girls. Some people enjoy driving new vehicles. What a concept.</TD></TR></TABLE>
X2
. A Mugen will turn alot more heads than a 94 eg coupe fart cannon.
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Re: (George Knighton)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I dunno. I think my money's going to be on the upcoming K24 + turbo (250 HP?) SH-AWD TSX for 2009.
</TD></TR></TABLE><TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by George Knighton »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
I know nothing. I see nothing.
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and here you go again w/ the comments...
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Now they're saying more like 260 HP. If they're doing "Honda HP" like they have with the most recent 6 cylinder motors, that's probably more like 280 SAE Net HP.
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Now they're saying more like 260 HP. If they're doing "Honda HP" like they have with the most recent 6 cylinder motors, that's probably more like 280 SAE Net HP.