Ever wanted to know why your car whines in reverse?
02-04-2007, 10:05 AM
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Ever wanted to know why your car whines in reverse?
Well Ive seen a few people ask WHY, there fwd cars whine when going in reverse, Some people Think its a transmission problem, so they bring it to my shop and i just tell them
On Transmissions The reverse gear has a Spur gear,which has straight teeth so when you put it into reverse and start going, the whining noise you hear is the teeth of the spur gear slapping together,
the reason you dont hear the noise in any other gear is because the other gears are called helical gears, which have like angle/beveled gears
SPUR
HELICAL
On Transmissions The reverse gear has a Spur gear,which has straight teeth so when you put it into reverse and start going, the whining noise you hear is the teeth of the spur gear slapping together,
the reason you dont hear the noise in any other gear is because the other gears are called helical gears, which have like angle/beveled gears
SPUR
HELICAL
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02-04-2007, 04:35 PM
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Re: Ever wanted to know why your car whines in reverse? (standbackimapro)
Yea, and add the reason why reverse grinds is because there isnt a syncro on it. That is why some people feel like they need to shift it into first or second before shifting it into reverse.
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02-04-2007, 08:20 PM
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Re: (htekken)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by htekken »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">good info, didnt know.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Now you know.
Now you know.
02-04-2007, 09:00 PM
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Nope. Look at worm gears. A 60:1 reduction is easy, and they don't whine. It whines because it's a spur gear. The reduction has nothing to do with it. And reverse is not THAT much lower than first. I top out in first around 35 mph, while in reverse, I can probably do 30. Not that much of a difference.
02-05-2007, 07:45 AM
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They're all spur gears. All that means is the gears mesh when the shafts are parallel to each other. The other kinds are bevel gears (in the differential), and planetary gears (really spur gears except for the ring) which are found in old-school auto trannys.
Spur gears can be straight cut or helical. Helical gears is what you're trying to describe, the teeth are 'twisted' instead of going straight across the gear. Helical gears don't whine so much since there's always some point on the gear face that's engaged with the other gear. (I know that's a sorta simplified description, so some other engineer can maybe think of a better way to describe it.)
Then there's hypoid gears which are even more sophisticated in the details of the tooth shape. They are directional, so they make more noise when going backwards. You don't have hypoid gears, they're in some RWD final-drive gearsets because of the offset shaft centerlines.
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Hmmm, I just read that in howstuffworks, but I don't think they're using using the term correctly. Look at their wording under bevel gears. They talk about straight bevel gears vs. helical bevel gears. Same thing for straight spur gears vs. helical spur gears.
Modified by JimBlake at 3:07 PM 2/5/2007
Spur gears can be straight cut or helical. Helical gears is what you're trying to describe, the teeth are 'twisted' instead of going straight across the gear. Helical gears don't whine so much since there's always some point on the gear face that's engaged with the other gear. (I know that's a sorta simplified description, so some other engineer can maybe think of a better way to describe it.)
Then there's hypoid gears which are even more sophisticated in the details of the tooth shape. They are directional, so they make more noise when going backwards. You don't have hypoid gears, they're in some RWD final-drive gearsets because of the offset shaft centerlines.
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Hmmm, I just read that in howstuffworks, but I don't think they're using using the term correctly. Look at their wording under bevel gears. They talk about straight bevel gears vs. helical bevel gears. Same thing for straight spur gears vs. helical spur gears.
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02-05-2007, 08:19 AM
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Re: (Blamm!!)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blamm!! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you guys have no idea!! reverse whines because it is as much LOWER gear than than first! and is a different style gear. But mainly because it is lower gear!
holy smokes!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are absolutely wrong. And I hate people who are so confident with their wrong information. If you want to prove a point. Do some research. It whines because of the straight cut gears. not because of the low gearing.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Howstuffworks.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spur gears are used in many devices that you can see all over HowStuffWorks. But you won't find many in your car.
This is because the spur gear can be really loud. Each time a gear tooth engages a tooth on the other gear, the teeth collide, and this impact makes a noise. It also increases the stress on the gear teeth.
To reduce the noise and stress in the gears, most of the gears in your car are helical .</TD></TR></TABLE>
holy smokes!!</TD></TR></TABLE>
You are absolutely wrong. And I hate people who are so confident with their wrong information. If you want to prove a point. Do some research. It whines because of the straight cut gears. not because of the low gearing.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Howstuffworks.com »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Spur gears are used in many devices that you can see all over HowStuffWorks. But you won't find many in your car.
This is because the spur gear can be really loud. Each time a gear tooth engages a tooth on the other gear, the teeth collide, and this impact makes a noise. It also increases the stress on the gear teeth.
To reduce the noise and stress in the gears, most of the gears in your car are helical .</TD></TR></TABLE>
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that's funny becasue the only cars that I have had that make that whine in reverse are I4 hondas
my V6 accord didn't do it
my CL type S does not do it
None of my american FWD cars did it
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my V6 accord didn't do it
my CL type S does not do it
None of my american FWD cars did it
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12-26-2007, 08:27 AM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by YeuEmMaiMai »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">that's funny becasue the only cars that I have had that make that whine in reverse are I4 hondas</TD></TR></TABLE>
Congrats on having quiet cars, but to say only I4 honda's whine in reverse is a bit much. I know for a fact I have heard toyota's, VW's, and nissans all make the same whining noise.
I read about this a few years ago, you guys are way behind.
Congrats on having quiet cars, but to say only I4 honda's whine in reverse is a bit much. I know for a fact I have heard toyota's, VW's, and nissans all make the same whining noise.
I read about this a few years ago, you guys are way behind.
12-26-2007, 09:24 AM
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All of my "Manual" transmission cars have had the reverse wine to them. GM, Ford, Honda & Mazda. My 1 automatic did not make any different noise. Could that be the difference maybe????
Yeah this post was brought back to life from the FAQ's. It was a February thread.
Yeah this post was brought back to life from the FAQ's. It was a February thread.
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Re: Ever wanted to know why your car whines in reverse? (standbackimapro)
Does anyone know how to get rid of the whine sound? Does this mean i need to get a new transmission or something? That sounds expensive 
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Re: Ever wanted to know why your car whines in reverse? (TouringAccord)
Ok awesome! Thanks 
I hope it's not that loud on the outside! I like to try and not draw attention towards myself! 
I hope it's not that loud on the outside! I like to try and not draw attention towards myself!
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Re: Ever wanted to know why your car whines in reverse? (jamie2002)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Blamm!! »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you guys have no idea!! reverse whines because it is as much LOWER gear than than first! and is a different style gear. But mainly because it is lower gear!
holy smokes!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha! keep trying buddy. its the straight cut on the reverse gear.
Have you guys ever heard of the Muncie "rock-crusher" M22 4 speed manual? Its an old school 4-speed that came on Chevelles, camaros, etc.. that had the first three forward gears cut straight instead of the usual helical cut, man those babies whine! Sounds like a supercharger!
holy smokes!! </TD></TR></TABLE>
haha! keep trying buddy. its the straight cut on the reverse gear.
Have you guys ever heard of the Muncie "rock-crusher" M22 4 speed manual? Its an old school 4-speed that came on Chevelles, camaros, etc.. that had the first three forward gears cut straight instead of the usual helical cut, man those babies whine! Sounds like a supercharger!
