ive recently been on some non-honda sites, some that dont have search functions nearly as good as this, others that dont have one at all and require googling through the forum.. those guys flame newbs for not searching so hard i almost feel bad for them, but then i come back over here once in a while and see so many ******* retarded threads that i never wanna log back on again. for having 130,000+ members, im sure not seeing a whole lot of new or innovative stuff.

estimated power threads, which crappy ebay intake should i run, ITR tranny or GSR, will i need headwork to make 250 whp? the knowledgeable people are just going to leave. plenty of them already have, leaving lots of E-posers to spit out the same old answers that they memorized, which doesnt do any of us any good.

if you want to know something, search, its been covered. if its something new, try it and then test it so you can be the bigshot who gets to come back and TELL us how it worked, not ask us. if its new, no one else has tried it anyways, why ask, you already know theyre just guessing.


we all need to pitch in and shape this place up before its the worlds largest collection of reasons why domestic guys laugh at us.


i edited this thread - Lip

 

Amen. A few people that have pissed me off in the past like Deftones I actually love now because he is the funniest ****** around bashing people asking stupid questions and not searching. I agree I tend to read the same header threads over and over. I think most of the smart people are in the Fab and racing section.

 

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honestly, mods should ban alot of those people that start such threads, like estimate my hp, or dumb question like ITR or GSR tranny, that's the only way for most these people learn how to use the search function, otherwise, more of these stupid threads will continue to pop up everywhere....I mean, I can accept thread like "I want to make 230whp daily driver pump gas, where do I start?" but thread like "megan or obx headers?" should die

 

I absolutely agree. I left this site for a little over a year to persue some other interests, when I came back recently I was shocked to see the decline in such a valuable website. I noticed a number of the older and wiser members were not around, while every "G-Unit" wanna be trash talker seemed to be posting unreadable posts about stupid crap. One of the most obvious abusers I've noticed is Syndacate Just look at the number of posts this guy has in the little amount of time he's been here and I have yet to see anything of value that he's contributed! Surely there's got to be a way to control this.

It would be one thing if he was the only offender or one of a few, but he's just one of many on here. I rarely look at the 92-00 civic forum any more because of the crap in there but I see that it is spilling into the all motor forum now too. At this rate it's only a matter of time before it's everywhere on this site.

I guess that's my vent/rant about what I've seen lately.... I am all for some type of changes to be put in place.

 

What it comes down to is this: The Honda community is made up of 2% originators and 98% followers. Thats why every build you see on or in this forum (with the exception of 1 or 2 now and then) are the same exact build over and over again. Therefore, a lot of the related questions are going to be the same as they were ont he previous 50 threads just like it.

Ive tried as of late to PM those putting up the "HT catalog" build threads and give them some outside the box type advice. But some are just so set in their ways, which just so happen to be the same as members previous with their projects.

No guess my HP threads, no help me with my set up threads, no what should I do threads, no which (insert part or service here) threads or polls............. Keep it technical and technical only. Engine theory, NEW projects (something different) with before and after results. lets not talk about what brand piston is best, lets talk about why and what makes piston "X" better than piston "Y".

HT should create a beginners general tech forum where all threads like I mentioned above can be moved to so we can keep the technical forums, technical.

 

I agree with what u guys are saying, but the avarage joe is not gonna come up with any new or informative stuff that engine builders or people "in the know" dont already know. So what does this mean? Only engine builders or pros should post? Their would not really be any threads if this was the case.

Also, these engines have been around for some time now, so how much new stuff is gonna come about that people are willing to reveal? not much.

Ht is not 2% originators it is more like .001 % because how many people have the ability, the $$, or know the right people to be an innovator? And most of people who think they are, are doing things that have been done before. If your not using custom parts or spending a ton of $$, i would say every build u can come up with has been tried before and probably posted about.

After all, this is a internet forum where people of all different levels of knowledge are on, so if u dont like a thread just dont read or respond to it. Simple as that. Or only go in the drag racing forums, where it is mostly technical info.

 

More reason for beginners forums. Maybe create a general tech forum or a beginners version of each forum in another column down atthe bottom. Theres a million ways to filter the bs out.

 

I really don't think its an easy task to clean this forum up. It is what it is. Like chris1741 said,most people dont have the money, tools and time to constantly try new things and research on their own. The same old debates and useless garbage threads come up again day after day.


Personally, I try not to flame people too bad because most are innocent beginners who just do not know any better. I contribute all of my experience and knowledge for the love of the sport, I have nothing to lose. What really annoys me is the bandwagon junkies who recommend parts and setups with no factual reasoning. Most of us who have been members long enough know how to spot a phony and can sift through trash with ease.

 

What's wrong is we are now catering to the lowest not the best, if you read the rules you agree to when sign up you'll see how to behave, stickies even people who are new to the net can't miss them... no excuse for missing that or the big red search button.

Flat out B/Sers or people who ask questions that are beyond simple to find, sometimes yelling search is over kill but asking can i put a b16 in my 98 ex.. beyond unsat, no way you can miss that on search, some things might be a wee trickier. So we might want to loosen up a tad ourselves honestly.

Refusal to search or use stickies is as bad as jumping on just to troll, it wastes everyones time. People who join and say honda sucks are banned because they are doing the same thing just wasting time, why can't disrespectful noobs get the same?

I hardly post here as so many of you know a great deal more then I and I learn a ton just reading and try to help where I can. **** seeing some of the greats here is where I do a good deal of learning. Seeing them go because we won't can't clean this place up would really suck.

Some things can be debated many times and we can learn and be respectful for example b16 vs a gsr head for an lsvtec. Is an b18c1 a good swap you only need one thread, with info and a how to or links in it to other threads.

This is probbly the best tech forum on all HT I'd like to see it stay that way and possibly improve.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hardt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">What it comes down to is this: The Honda community is made up of 2% originators and 98% followers. </TD></TR></TABLE>

yeah, but we used to hear alot more from the 2% then we do now. serious technical forums that dont tolerate stupidity attract a serious technical bunch. if every thread is clowning, clowns are all that stick around. it's up to all of you what type of forum this will be.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18b-HB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ADD THIS THREAD TO THE BULLSHIT PILE </TD></TR></TABLE>

SHOOO FLY

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by b18b-HB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ADD THIS THREAD TO THE BULLSHIT PILE </TD></TR></TABLE>


So true....

 

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SHOOO FLY </TD></TR></TABLE>


let me help you out https://honda-tech.com/zeromain/11

 

I know this is OT to the All Motor section but just something that's been on my mind.

You know whats a waste of space and time: Discussion and Debate Forum.

I'm guilty of gong there once in a while and posting once or twice a week, but there are people who LIVE in that forum.

Why is it a waste? Because readers there always refreshing and adding useless comments and wastes Advertising banner hits.

Someone told me that the DandD forum is a great asset to HT since you have alot of people going in there that are non-tech and just want to visit Honda-Tech for the DandD forums. Then I asked myself... is that good for paying advertisers? I don't think so. You have people who don't give a crap about the advertising taking up hits that should be for the enthusiasts reading in the actual Technical sections of HT. Anyways that's my rant.

Ya i agree on the BS threads, but its hard to determine what is a waste and what isn't. Since there are Super Newbs that really don't know much and they are starting from scratch like many of us in the beginning. Also, alot of new people when they get in HT at first, are not familiar with the posting etiquette, and you cant blame them for not Searching first all the time.

 

People clicking on the advertisements are good for the mod and owner of H-T.
It is also good for us because it pays for the site. The people who have ads on here are making quite a bit seeing as there are SO MANY members or people visiting H-T.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by theyoungone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">People clicking on the advertisements are good for the mod and owner of H-T.
It is also good for us because it pays for the site. The people who have ads on here are making quite a bit seeing as there are SO MANY members or people visiting H-T.</TD></TR></TABLE>

oh I understand that. but when you have tons of people that are refreshing on the same posts in GDD area, you're not getting your moneys worth as an advertiser.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hardt &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">More reason for beginners forums. Maybe create a general tech forum or a beginners version of each forum in another column down atthe bottom. Theres a million ways to filter the bs out.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ya a beginners forum so HT members who are WILLING to help out the new guys can get in there and introduce them to the forums.
HT members who have the patience to go through guiding a new guy into the scene.

 

It's a public forum and the hardcore moderators have backed off. That's what you get. You can't blame the child for burning his hand on the stove when you leave the burner on.

Just ignore the how good is the Chikara header threads, look at my new 85mm throttle body threads, which rods are best threads, how fast is my D16 going to run the quarter mile threads, I killed a Yugo with my monster all motor CRX threads, how much power is my stock B16 with a DC header going to make, which cams for my awesome setup threads, and ... oh **** that is the all motor forum

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by exospeedAMcrx &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but when you have tons of people that are refreshing on the same posts in GDD area, you're not getting your moneys worth as an advertiser. </TD></TR></TABLE>
So that's where all of our ad views are going!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mike_belben@yahoo.com &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ive recently been on some non-honda sites, some that dont have search functions nearly as good as this, others that dont have one at all and require googling through the forum.. those guys flame newbs for not searching so hard i almost feel bad for them, but then i come back over here once in a while and see so many ******* retarded threads that i never wanna log back on again. for having 130,000+ members, im sure not seeing a whole lot of new or innovative stuff.

estimated power threads, which crappy ebay intake should i run, ITR tranny or GSR, will i need headwork to make 250 whp? more and more it's becoming a place for those who just wanna waste time to sit and dream up crap to talk about with little or no purpose/value in the end. and the knowledgeable people are just going to leave. plenty of them already have, leaving lots of E-posers to spit out the same old answers that they memorized, which doesnt do any of us any good.

if you want to know something, ****** search, its been covered. if its something new, try it and then test it so you can be the bigshot who gets to come back and TELL us how it worked, not ask us. if its new, no one else has tried it anyways, why ask, you already know theyre just guessing.

i never flamed newbs before because
1. everyone has to start somewhere
2. i didnt want any **** from the moderators

but ya know what..
1. i didnt know where a honda ecu was or what it did 4 years ago, i knew very little about engines and transmission, etc. 4 years later and im tuning cars, cant remember how many engines/trannies ive built without one blowing up. it didnt require a single stupid, timewasting, monotonous question... everything i ever needed to look up was already posted somewhere, and the search button found it for me. im not trying to brag, but in this case i think its a good example to use.. i am proof that the "search" button works pretty damn good.

2. i dont really care if this pisses off the moderators, theyre the ones who have been entrusted to run the forum, and i dont think the place is all that much to brag about any more. you guys arent here to be invisible gods wielding power over our user ratings, you're here to manage the WORLD'S largest honda website. take the job seriously.

we all need to pitch in and shape this place up before its the worlds largest collection of reasons why domestic guys laugh at us. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Finally, something interesting and worth reading!

 

I agree and thats part of the reason I had slowed down on posting before my accident. I bet I could list 10 users here and then copy and paste my responce to every question here by simply stating"search under these guys old posts to find your answer".

Seems like the recipe's that Lip, B19coupe, and myself came up with 4-5 years ago will give everyone who posts about 230-270 whp their anweres as what it will take. Just copy variations of our motors from the last 5 years and you have it.
the 1 thing that cant be stressed enough is people finding machine shops or people who can properly blueprint an engine.. I've seen some of the bs that the new so called hotshots post up and can see whats wrong with their setups, but as soon as you try to tell them they get all pissed off because Joe shmoe from XYZ shop said different. why not try listening to the guys who have proven they can do it instead of the guy who's got something to gain by being the guy who sells you something.

Flame suit on..lol

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I agree and thats part of the reason I had slowed down on posting before my accident. I bet I could list 10 users here and then copy and paste my responce to every question here by simply stating"search under these guys old posts to find your answer".

Seems like the recipe's that Lip, B19coupe, and myself came up with 4-5 years ago will give everyone who posts about 230-270 whp their anweres as what it will take. Just copy variations of our motors from the last 5 years and you have it.
the 1 thing that cant be stressed enough is people finding machine shops or people who can properly blueprint an engine.. I've seen some of the bs that the new so called hotshots post up and can see whats wrong with their setups, but as soon as you try to tell them they get all pissed off because Joe shmoe from XYZ shop said different. why not try listening to the guys who have proven they can do it instead of the guy who's got something to gain by being the guy who sells you something.

Flame suit on..lol</TD></TR></TABLE>I couldn't agree more. I haven't been around long, but i try to post only information to help people make the engine decisions themselves without making 50 threads about it, mostly dyno graphs pretty much everytime i dyno a car just to help fight the e-racers, and i post all the info i can, i hope this is what i should be doing as a h-t member. No nutswinging here just info on what i found works or doesn't.

 

I'm definitely tired of arguing with newbs who've never even installed a head gasket about who's right/wrong. It's not that i'm a know-it-all, because i'm not. I'm not stubborn and can admit when i'm wrong. I just hate misinformation being passed around and spread as fact.
If everyone would only speak from personal experience, we wouldn't have these problems.

 

Here is an idea...

Who do we talk to about voting in an additional seasoned H-T member as an All Motor moderator?

I do agree that a lot of mindless post need a lockin!