Anyone Running DC5-R wheels on their Si
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lexusguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">If so which size spacer you guys using and what tire series 205 or 215.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lexusguy: The Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" wheel has an offset of 60mm, while Civic Si 17" x 7" wheel has an offset of 45mm. Because the wheels (DC5-R and Si) have the same width, this means the DC5-R wheel will sit 15mm (0.59") closer to the hub than the Si wheel. Because of this positive offset difference, you will have to use 205/45-17 as the 215/45-17 will rub the front strut. This is the case if you do not use spacers. Also, the 205/45-17 tire will cause your odometer to accrue miles faster because the Si is calibrated for 215/45-17. The Civic type-R (EP3), however, came factory original with 205/45-17 Bridgestone RE040 tires mounted on 17" x 7" OEM wheels with 45mm offset. I have a set of those.
Regarding spacers... I am a strong opponent of using them. The wheel's center bore is made to fit and sit precisely on the car's hub. This allows all road bumps to be absorbed by the hub, and not the studs. Adding a spacer between the wheel and hub allows the wheel to have some movement, and can eventually stress the stud(s) to failure - i.e. broken stud. Please remember to always torque your wheels to the proper setting, and never tighten with impact guns. The Si wheel torque is 80 lb/ft. The impact guns usually start at 125 lb/ft and up. Hope this helps...
lexusguy: The Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" wheel has an offset of 60mm, while Civic Si 17" x 7" wheel has an offset of 45mm. Because the wheels (DC5-R and Si) have the same width, this means the DC5-R wheel will sit 15mm (0.59") closer to the hub than the Si wheel. Because of this positive offset difference, you will have to use 205/45-17 as the 215/45-17 will rub the front strut. This is the case if you do not use spacers. Also, the 205/45-17 tire will cause your odometer to accrue miles faster because the Si is calibrated for 215/45-17. The Civic type-R (EP3), however, came factory original with 205/45-17 Bridgestone RE040 tires mounted on 17" x 7" OEM wheels with 45mm offset. I have a set of those.
Regarding spacers... I am a strong opponent of using them. The wheel's center bore is made to fit and sit precisely on the car's hub. This allows all road bumps to be absorbed by the hub, and not the studs. Adding a spacer between the wheel and hub allows the wheel to have some movement, and can eventually stress the stud(s) to failure - i.e. broken stud. Please remember to always torque your wheels to the proper setting, and never tighten with impact guns. The Si wheel torque is 80 lb/ft. The impact guns usually start at 125 lb/ft and up. Hope this helps...
Senna thanks for the info,max positive offset for 17x7 on an si is +48 so i need about at least a 12mm spacers i was thinking i can slide on 215 series but i guess not.im against spacer as well but i got the rims for a good deal so im going to stick with them for awhile.
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i was thinking of going with the dc5r wheels too, but after looking at the si rims, they're really similar in design so im thinking of just powdercoating mine white and saving some $$
If you're desperate for the DC5-R wheels, Rota Torque's are very similar. You could powder coat them white and get the same look. Offset is available in 35, 47 or 48mm. I've never seen torques on a new Si but it's the wheel I plan on getting for mine next summer.
i talk to the guy today he say he has some Accord Euro R wheels comming in soon,look wise they look excatly the same but with +55 offset instead that should help.i think im going to pick that up and give the DC5R to my brother,thanks all for the replies
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lexusguy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Senna thanks for the info,max positive offset for 17x7 on an si is +48 so i need about at least a 12mm spacers i was thinking i can slide on 215 series but i guess not.im against spacer as well but i got the rims for a good deal so im going to stick with them for awhile.</TD></TR></TABLE>
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jonness »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't worry, I had the same idea before and after I knew about the stud and all the concerns about the spacers, I returned my dc5 type r rims.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lexusguy: No problem with the assistance.
lexusguy and jonness: I commend both of you for not just shrugging this off and taking the matter as it appropriately should. Hats off to you both.
Of all the changes (I call them changes not upgrades because many times it comes with negative results) one can do from engine swaps, tranny, brakes, aftermarket wheels, slamming = suspension for us older guys, exhaust, interior, tons of stickers on glass and body = makes car go even faster, etc., the most important to consider is: The wheel, its offset, and tire which the car has contact with. Upgrading to an OEM wheel with the proper offset is perfectly fine.
<U>To summarize</U>:
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) without spacers: Have to use 205/45-17 tires
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) with spacers (not recommended): Can use 215/45-17 or 205/50-17
As tone*def has suggested, the Civic type-R 17" x 7" wheel (45mm offset) would be a perfect match for the EP3 and FG. That is what I have on my '05 Si.
I would like to see more EP3/FG owners not jump the gun so quickly and begin modifying their cars (with aftermarket products) before even having the opportunity of bedding the brakes and breaking the engine in properly. Familiarize yourself with the car in its stock format and you will be surprised how well-designed and engineered your car really is. Remember, function over form, and go over show.
For us that have been priviledged to get out of one HONDA and into another, we are truly spoiled in that, once you start driving other brands, you realize how brilliant of a product HONDA really is. Even in stock format, the car's capabilities is usually far greater than ours, and makes us look like a better driver than we actually are. Speaking of which, I'd like to suggest this: Want to know what the best upgrade/compliment you can do for your car (and yourself)? Take the money you were going to spend on changes to your car, and sign up for a one-day driving school. You will have a wonderful time doing it, and at the end of the day, I promise you will come out feeling great about yourself, and with more knowledge about your car than any other change could ever provide. For those of you who have taken a driving school (or a few), you know exactly what I am referring to. Kind Regards...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jonness »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Don't worry, I had the same idea before and after I knew about the stud and all the concerns about the spacers, I returned my dc5 type r rims.</TD></TR></TABLE>
lexusguy: No problem with the assistance.
lexusguy and jonness: I commend both of you for not just shrugging this off and taking the matter as it appropriately should. Hats off to you both.
Of all the changes (I call them changes not upgrades because many times it comes with negative results) one can do from engine swaps, tranny, brakes, aftermarket wheels, slamming = suspension for us older guys, exhaust, interior, tons of stickers on glass and body = makes car go even faster, etc., the most important to consider is: The wheel, its offset, and tire which the car has contact with. Upgrading to an OEM wheel with the proper offset is perfectly fine.
<U>To summarize</U>:
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) without spacers: Have to use 205/45-17 tires
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) with spacers (not recommended): Can use 215/45-17 or 205/50-17
As tone*def has suggested, the Civic type-R 17" x 7" wheel (45mm offset) would be a perfect match for the EP3 and FG. That is what I have on my '05 Si.
I would like to see more EP3/FG owners not jump the gun so quickly and begin modifying their cars (with aftermarket products) before even having the opportunity of bedding the brakes and breaking the engine in properly. Familiarize yourself with the car in its stock format and you will be surprised how well-designed and engineered your car really is. Remember, function over form, and go over show.
For us that have been priviledged to get out of one HONDA and into another, we are truly spoiled in that, once you start driving other brands, you realize how brilliant of a product HONDA really is. Even in stock format, the car's capabilities is usually far greater than ours, and makes us look like a better driver than we actually are. Speaking of which, I'd like to suggest this: Want to know what the best upgrade/compliment you can do for your car (and yourself)? Take the money you were going to spend on changes to your car, and sign up for a one-day driving school. You will have a wonderful time doing it, and at the end of the day, I promise you will come out feeling great about yourself, and with more knowledge about your car than any other change could ever provide. For those of you who have taken a driving school (or a few), you know exactly what I am referring to. Kind Regards...
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by SennaPerfected »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
<U>To summarize</U>:
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) without spacers: Have to use 205/45-17 tires
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) with spacers (not recommended): Can use 215/45-17 or 205/50-17
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You know what gets me at about that... is that even on USDM DC5s, those DC5-R rims still aren't the correct offset
here is an exmaple
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1747570

He had to get 25mm spacers on there... why would it be different on the JDM DC5 than the USDM DC5??
<U>To summarize</U>:
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) without spacers: Have to use 205/45-17 tires
Integra TYPE-R (DC5-R) 17" x 7" (60mm offset) wheel installed on '04-'05 Civic Si (EP3) & '06 Civic Si (FG) with spacers (not recommended): Can use 215/45-17 or 205/50-17
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You know what gets me at about that... is that even on USDM DC5s, those DC5-R rims still aren't the correct offset
here is an exmaple
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1747570

He had to get 25mm spacers on there... why would it be different on the JDM DC5 than the USDM DC5??
^^^^That car is sick as ****. I love the DC5s in that color. As for the answer to your question, I have no idea. Maybe they just wanted us USDM guys to stop jocking their nuts.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by modifyORdie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was thinking of going with the dc5r wheels too, but after looking at the si rims, they're really similar in design so im thinking of just powdercoating mine white and saving some $$</TD></TR></TABLE>
I saw a pic of this, I think it was on 8thcivic, and it looked hott as hell. Do it. You will NOT be disappointed.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by modifyORdie »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was thinking of going with the dc5r wheels too, but after looking at the si rims, they're really similar in design so im thinking of just powdercoating mine white and saving some $$</TD></TR></TABLE>
I saw a pic of this, I think it was on 8thcivic, and it looked hott as hell. Do it. You will NOT be disappointed.
I believe its because of the suspension and brakes on the DC5 R but im not too sure.... I think I remember reading that somewhere.
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