is it possible to convert d17a2 to run ethenal? my dad said that the engine isnt designed to run ethenal. i was thinking that just A/F computer and maybe injectors, but he said the engine would have to be completely redesigned. SO?

 

ethanol*

whats the point?

and whats the point of that video in your sig?

 

its cheaper, the goverment gives you like $500+ a year if your car uses it, its cleaner, better mpg, and as much horse power as a bolt on probably.

 

ethenol is a little cheaper then gas.

it is a huge breakthrough for agriculture.

it burns 10,000 BTU's colder then gas, meaning:

it is more efficient


for turbo guys ANY car could run 10psi stock safely when running e-85 ethanol

your MPG does go down 1-3 MPG


it is WAY better.


but NO you can't convert it, sorry man.

 

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you sure about that?

 

it is possible, but it's one of those things where you will have spent so much time and so much money and so much energy to get the thing running on ethanol, that it would have been better spent working another job and investing the money in some stocks or something.

I have a d16b5 (98-00 gx) motor that originally ran off of natural gas (115ish octane), however CNG doesn't mix well with atmospheric air, so honda upped the compression on the engine to 12.5:1cr. It also has stainless valves.

This is the perfect candidate for converting to ethanol. Something that I am contemplating doing in the future.

 

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like bense sad you can, but it's just not worth it.

you cna buy a car that uses it if you want it.

 

Misinformation abound. Search in GDD about E85; this's been discussed already. It's useless in our cars - all the hoses and lines in our cars need to be replaced with a compound friendly to alcohol. Otherwise, they'll corrode.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by meseetree &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ethenol is a little cheaper then gas.
All said and done, the price is actually pretty damn close

it is a huge breakthrough for agriculture.
Probably. But... it's yet to be seen.

it burns 10,000 BTU's colder then gas, meaning:
it is more efficient
Very wrong. It may burn colder but it puts off less energy... that means it's *less* efficient than gasoline. More ethanol must be injected to produce the same power that gasoline makes upon combustion. Take a chemistry class if you don't believe me.

for turbo guys ANY car could run 10psi stock safely when running e-85 ethanol
You're talking about octane rating... and I honestly don't know how it compares to gasoline. No comment.

your MPG does go down 1-3 MPG
True, for the reasons stated above.

it is WAY better.
Very arguable. It's a step in the right direction, maybe, but by no means is it a miracle fuel.

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For now, since E85 is about the same price as gasoline, you're actually not making a big difference in your wallet by running it. This'll remain true until it can be produced on a larger scale for less money. Then, only then, will it become more attractive than gasoline.

 

the money wasted on doing the conversion + ethanol usage a month will add up to you just leaving your car how it was made to be used in the first place.

 

so why exactly cant it be done? do you have to put in special engine internials? what i understand is tuning, fuel lines, and injectors, every thing you would do for alcohol, or is there more to it, remember the goverment pays around 700 a year (dont know my source) if you use ethanol, so that might pay for everything in two years unless internials are required.

 

The thing is, the gas companies put out a bunch of misinformation about the fuel. Like how it's horrible and eats fuel lines and stuff.

There's not enough people researching this. We have tons of people working together on how to build a 250whp b-series engine. But I've seen maybe 10 people on this site even CONSIDER the conversion. I want to do it in the future, mainly because I just want to. Bragging rights, cheap race fuel, etc.

But the thing is, it's very hard to find someone that's adequately researched this. If you search for ethanol in the archives there's a guy from sweden that says he did the conversion. Remember, gasoline is very expensive in europe. There's a link in that thread, and somewhere there's a link to a college where the engineering department did the conversion on a chevy silverado and supercharged it for some ethanol challenge. However I don't have the link here, and I just don't feel like researching it.

It can be done, and I would be willing to research it in the future, however I have a engine that I am R&Ding as well as a tranny build and an engine build that I need to take care of. But in the future I may be interested.


What one can do is get a gallon of e85 ethanol, and submerge a factory fuel line in it and just leave it there for a few weeks. If it doesn't corrode, then it's safe for the fuel line. If it corodes, then you know that the fuel lines will have to be replaced.

Again, this is something that I am not very knowledgable of. I researched it for a couple hours one week. But stopped once I realized how much work it entails. Definitely something I may be interested in doing in the future.

 

Have you seen this site ? It looks like some one did the leg work on a convertion kit for us. I have a 1998 Dodge Caravan that can run on E85. We just got our 1st E85 pump in town last week. I plan on running it in my van but only drive it maybe 5,000 miles a year for trips and towing.
Let me know how it goes if you install it on your Honda I want to do my 96' Civic soon too.

The site is http://www.makemycare85.com


Modified by jameshobbs at 8:56 PM 6/9/2007

 

You're exhaust sounds like *** put your resonators back on dumbass

 

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I never took the resonator off the car in the first place you idiot ! As a matter of fact I installed a extra one after I installed the header because it had a very little extra sound between 1st and 2nd shift that I did not like and I was not after the loud sound / hot rod thing. I wanted and got , 15 more HP out of the engine and 3-4 more miles per gallon . I went from 28 -29 mpg to 33-34 mpg in town now with the header and cold air intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Your insults are staggering.

Listen, the best way to cope with people that try to screw with you, online, is to ignore them. There isn't any point to try to act tough over the int@rweb.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jameshobbs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Do I know you ? I guess you are talking to me ? If you are ,first off you should not be calling people you have never met much less know what there car sounds like names like dumb-*** you stupid DUMB-*** !
I never took the resonator off the car in the first place you idiot ! As a matter of fact I installed a extra one after I installed the header because it had a very little extra sound between 1st and 2nd shift that I did not like and I was not after the loud sound / hot rod thing. I wanted and got , 15 more HP out of the engine and 3-4 more miles per gallon . I went from 28 -29 mpg to 33-34 mpg in town now with the header and cold air intake.</TD></TR></TABLE>

He was referring to Rich EX, same with fventura03.

 

15hp... nice one lol

 

I was wrong I see now you were talking about Rich EX not me. My mistake , Sorry <U></U>

 

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I was wrong I see now you were talking about Rich EX not me. My mistake , Sorry <U></U> </TD></TR></TABLE>

I am saying your car sounds like **** what now son.
Step up to the kitchen and see what im cooking hoe

 

Correct me if I am wrong, but can't you run ethnol by having a k&N fuel filter, and replacing all the fuel lines with silicone lines, and then a lot of tunning.I know for a fact though,not worth it.

 

I am really not sure ? But looking at the kits for sale at http://www.makemycare85.com/ I think they may be holding the injector open a little longer or something because it looks like you plug the wiring from the car into there wire and it goes back to there box and then to the injector ?
My 1998 Dodge van is flex fuel . But they made a non flex fuel 3.3 motor that year too the dealer said the only change was the fuel rail and injectors ? If thats true this is why I was thing they were changing the timing of the injector with there little box ?

 

OK first off any car from the late 80's and up can run on 50% ethonal no problem at all! so like e50. The conv kit just changes the amount of fuel going in... checks the a/f there are other whys to do it and on a honda dont worrie about it they run really rich! so it will lean it out and be safe.e85 a/f is about 11 to 1... gas is 14.7 and striaght up ethonal is like 9. That being said a honda will run around 8 at wot and high rpm and will still run a little rich a wot on e85. it will run a little lean at idle and lower rpms. You do not need bigger injectors as long as you are not going for more power.. just like regular gas. you dont have to worrie about it "eating" you line because they are much higher grade rubber which is not be eaten away. The truely only thing that it is somewhat hard on is the fuel pump because it needs to flow more fuel but e85 is a little fluid so it kinda equels out. I run it in my 1995 jeep of about 6 months now with nothing done to it .. drop in k&n but i have had that for years now.