plasma differences and experiences
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plasma differences and experiences
differences between the big brands and those cheap ones.
im looking at the miller spectrum 375
how does it compare to the other big brands like thermal. and then comparison to the cheaps.
thanks
im looking at the miller spectrum 375
how does it compare to the other big brands like thermal. and then comparison to the cheaps.
thanks
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (dfoxengr)
all the big name brands are good. i think the only real differences with the big brands are the torch and consumables. on some brands the consumables last longer. i have a lincoln pro-cut 55 and i like it but i originally wanted a miller spectrum 2050 but i got a good deal on the lincoln and couldn't pass it up. from what i was told they were both fairly equal in performance so i'm not loosing out in anyway by going with the lincoln. all i've ever heard about the cheap brands was don't buy them.
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (dfoxengr)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dfoxengr »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">why am i hearing TD makes better plasmas than miller?
whats bad about millers</TD></TR></TABLE>\
Bc they do..
I have one but It eats up consumables if you dont hold the tip solidly against the material!
whats bad about millers</TD></TR></TABLE>\
Bc they do..
I have one but It eats up consumables if you dont hold the tip solidly against the material!
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (19civic93)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 19civic93 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...i have a lincoln pro-cut 55 and i like it but i originally wanted a miller spectrum 2050 but i got a good deal on the lincoln and couldn't pass it up. from what i was told they were both fairly equal in performance so i'm not loosing out in anyway by going with the lincoln....</TD></TR></TABLE>
It gets pretty rediculous that everyone on H-T has to defend their ownership of Lincoln products. They have been around for years, are the official welder of NASCAR, and are used in motorsports just as much as Miller.
I got into building Honda's in the late 90's because of their "underdog" status in the V8 driver's minds. People didn't like the idea of fast Honda's, and that just motivated me more to go faster.
There has always been a small percentage of Honda enthusiasts out there that stood alone, and put hype aside. They are the ones that made up for the huge lack of respect thanks to the ricers that followed the hype of movies and made their cars look faster than they truly were. Hype is B.S. unless there are valid reasons for owning a certain product. Jumping on a bandwagon because blue is a better color than red from a psychological perspective is what is expected by the public of a young group of enthusiasts into making little 4 cylinders fast.
If you like Miller for true reason that's good, and there is no fault there. For those that feel guilty for owning Lincoln because Miller is the hype of H-T....jump on the wagon and get the Miller, it's all you can do to fit in.
FYI....This isn't a personal attack on anyone...just saying something that I think needs said as I am not afraid to stand alone if necessary.
It gets pretty rediculous that everyone on H-T has to defend their ownership of Lincoln products. They have been around for years, are the official welder of NASCAR, and are used in motorsports just as much as Miller.
I got into building Honda's in the late 90's because of their "underdog" status in the V8 driver's minds. People didn't like the idea of fast Honda's, and that just motivated me more to go faster.
There has always been a small percentage of Honda enthusiasts out there that stood alone, and put hype aside. They are the ones that made up for the huge lack of respect thanks to the ricers that followed the hype of movies and made their cars look faster than they truly were. Hype is B.S. unless there are valid reasons for owning a certain product. Jumping on a bandwagon because blue is a better color than red from a psychological perspective is what is expected by the public of a young group of enthusiasts into making little 4 cylinders fast.
If you like Miller for true reason that's good, and there is no fault there. For those that feel guilty for owning Lincoln because Miller is the hype of H-T....jump on the wagon and get the Miller, it's all you can do to fit in.
FYI....This isn't a personal attack on anyone...just saying something that I think needs said as I am not afraid to stand alone if necessary.
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (RC000E)
Lincoln, Esab, and Miller all make great plasma cutters. Choose based on what you want, but I would recommend picking on more than just what works best for you, ie, warranty, customer service, etc.
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (k24em2)
i just heard something about miller guns dont have completely intercgangeable parts and if you mess up something you have to buy a new gun, whereas TD guns can have certain parts replaced...
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (RC000E)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RC000E »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
It gets pretty rediculous that everyone on H-T has to defend their ownership of Lincoln products. They have been around for years, are the official welder of NASCAR, and are used in motorsports just as much as Miller.
I got into building Honda's in the late 90's because of their "underdog" status in the V8 driver's minds. People didn't like the idea of fast Honda's, and that just motivated me more to go faster.
There has always been a small percentage of Honda enthusiasts out there that stood alone, and put hype aside. They are the ones that made up for the huge lack of respect thanks to the ricers that followed the hype of movies and made their cars look faster than they truly were. Hype is B.S. unless there are valid reasons for owning a certain product. Jumping on a bandwagon because blue is a better color than red from a psychological perspective is what is expected by the public of a young group of enthusiasts into making little 4 cylinders fast.
If you like Miller for true reason that's good, and there is no fault there. For those that feel guilty for owning Lincoln because Miller is the hype of H-T....jump on the wagon and get the Miller, it's all you can do to fit in.
FYI....This isn't a personal attack on anyone...just saying something that I think needs said as I am not afraid to stand alone if necessary.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Am I missing something here? What does this have to do with what I said? I said Lincoln was equal in performance. I was not bashing Lincoln. It has nothing to do with liking blue over red. When I choose something it's usually between design, cost, performance, up keep, and how much I will use it. This plasma isn't my first Lincoln. I've had a Lincoln Mig and liked it. Just because I said I wanted a Miller plamsa doesn't mean I was going with the hype. I've always used Miller and Lincoln and have always been happy with their products. The reason why I wanted the Miller was because after talking to many people that have used both Miller and Lincoln plasma's the Miller was the over all better and cheaper to run. You talk about hype and I may be wrong here but it sounds to me like your tryin to hype up Lincoln. I don't buy stuff because of hype. I'm not some young kid tryin to make cars go fast either. I do like messin around with imports but I'm more into lowriders. That's also such a stereotype by sayin that going with the hype is expected by the public of a young group of car enthusiasts. What is the big deal with what people say about certain brands anyway. If you like it then that's all that matters. Are you hurt that you like Lincoln and Lincoln gets bashed on a lot with people sayin Miller's better? Would you even be sayin anything if it was the other way around and Miller was being bashed on? Who the hell cares what people say. Try different brands or ask people that has used them. That's the best way to find the right product you need. Don't assume people don't know what they are talking about and even more so if they are young. A lot of people in here have been in the automotive game just as long as you or even longer. I know you said this is not a personal attack on anyone but you did quote me and I just wanted to set the record straight.
It gets pretty rediculous that everyone on H-T has to defend their ownership of Lincoln products. They have been around for years, are the official welder of NASCAR, and are used in motorsports just as much as Miller.
I got into building Honda's in the late 90's because of their "underdog" status in the V8 driver's minds. People didn't like the idea of fast Honda's, and that just motivated me more to go faster.
There has always been a small percentage of Honda enthusiasts out there that stood alone, and put hype aside. They are the ones that made up for the huge lack of respect thanks to the ricers that followed the hype of movies and made their cars look faster than they truly were. Hype is B.S. unless there are valid reasons for owning a certain product. Jumping on a bandwagon because blue is a better color than red from a psychological perspective is what is expected by the public of a young group of enthusiasts into making little 4 cylinders fast.
If you like Miller for true reason that's good, and there is no fault there. For those that feel guilty for owning Lincoln because Miller is the hype of H-T....jump on the wagon and get the Miller, it's all you can do to fit in.
FYI....This isn't a personal attack on anyone...just saying something that I think needs said as I am not afraid to stand alone if necessary.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Am I missing something here? What does this have to do with what I said? I said Lincoln was equal in performance. I was not bashing Lincoln. It has nothing to do with liking blue over red. When I choose something it's usually between design, cost, performance, up keep, and how much I will use it. This plasma isn't my first Lincoln. I've had a Lincoln Mig and liked it. Just because I said I wanted a Miller plamsa doesn't mean I was going with the hype. I've always used Miller and Lincoln and have always been happy with their products. The reason why I wanted the Miller was because after talking to many people that have used both Miller and Lincoln plasma's the Miller was the over all better and cheaper to run. You talk about hype and I may be wrong here but it sounds to me like your tryin to hype up Lincoln. I don't buy stuff because of hype. I'm not some young kid tryin to make cars go fast either. I do like messin around with imports but I'm more into lowriders. That's also such a stereotype by sayin that going with the hype is expected by the public of a young group of car enthusiasts. What is the big deal with what people say about certain brands anyway. If you like it then that's all that matters. Are you hurt that you like Lincoln and Lincoln gets bashed on a lot with people sayin Miller's better? Would you even be sayin anything if it was the other way around and Miller was being bashed on? Who the hell cares what people say. Try different brands or ask people that has used them. That's the best way to find the right product you need. Don't assume people don't know what they are talking about and even more so if they are young. A lot of people in here have been in the automotive game just as long as you or even longer. I know you said this is not a personal attack on anyone but you did quote me and I just wanted to set the record straight.
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ok, since no one here even bothered to read what the original poster said...
Big brands like Miller, Lincoln, TD all typically use a non-inverter machine, i.e. transformer power. We sell a 40A plasma cutter that uses inverter technology that weighs in at about 20lbs, draws only 22 amps and cuts 5/8" clean, with a 3/4" sever cut. guess what? it doesnt cost over $900 dollars. This thing is not cheap in any way. we have a warranty to back it up, as we do all warranty repairs in house on a compnent level. dont waste your money on huge machines, and dont buy the BS hype that these guys may give you, only because they want to justify them spending 2-3 times more than what they had to. you'll see...
Big brands like Miller, Lincoln, TD all typically use a non-inverter machine, i.e. transformer power. We sell a 40A plasma cutter that uses inverter technology that weighs in at about 20lbs, draws only 22 amps and cuts 5/8" clean, with a 3/4" sever cut. guess what? it doesnt cost over $900 dollars. This thing is not cheap in any way. we have a warranty to back it up, as we do all warranty repairs in house on a compnent level. dont waste your money on huge machines, and dont buy the BS hype that these guys may give you, only because they want to justify them spending 2-3 times more than what they had to. you'll see...
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DESTROYER »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, since no one here even bothered to read what the original poster said...
Big brands like Miller, Lincoln, TD all typically use a non-inverter machine, i.e. transformer power. We sell a 40A plasma cutter that uses inverter technology that weighs in at about 20lbs, draws only 22 amps and cuts 5/8" clean, with a 3/4" sever cut. guess what? it doesnt cost over $900 dollars. This thing is not cheap in any way. we have a warranty to back it up, as we do all warranty repairs in house on a compnent level. dont waste your money on huge machines, and dont buy the BS hype that these guys may give you, only because they want to justify them spending 2-3 times more than what they had to. you'll see...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pic, price, more details please....also what is sever cut?
Big brands like Miller, Lincoln, TD all typically use a non-inverter machine, i.e. transformer power. We sell a 40A plasma cutter that uses inverter technology that weighs in at about 20lbs, draws only 22 amps and cuts 5/8" clean, with a 3/4" sever cut. guess what? it doesnt cost over $900 dollars. This thing is not cheap in any way. we have a warranty to back it up, as we do all warranty repairs in house on a compnent level. dont waste your money on huge machines, and dont buy the BS hype that these guys may give you, only because they want to justify them spending 2-3 times more than what they had to. you'll see...</TD></TR></TABLE>
Pic, price, more details please....also what is sever cut?
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Just buy one thats rated higher than what you need it for. Ask around and find out what people have experienced from multiple brands. Like I said earlier I have a Lincoln Pro-Cut 55. I like how it cuts. The only real problems I've had with it was the torch. The electrode and nozzle has to have a very clean and moisture free contact inside the torch or the safety light will come on and torch will shut off then you have to reset it before you can continue cutting again. According to others on the Hobart forums they all have this problem with the Lincolns. Also you air has to be really dry for all plasmas or your consumables and torch won't last long. I use a Motor Guard M-26 filter at the inlet of the plasma cutter. Consumables for the Lincoln are very expensive compared to other brands. 5 nozzles and 5 electrodes cost me over 100 bucks but these are for original Lincoln cosumables. There are cheaper copies but I'm not sure how they perform. Also 1 nozzle and 1 electrode only last for 60 mins. of cutting. Well, thats my experience with Lincoln. Overall I'm happy with it. I'm sure other brand all have their problems too. Ask around and see what you find. Here's a pic of my plasma. On the second pic you can see the Motor Guard filter on the back. Make sure you get one. It cost about 90 bucks but will save you money in the long run.
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$875 http://www.parkermetalworking.com
inverter technology uses circuit boards (electronics) instead of transformers (electrical) to create the output. much more efficient, hence the 100% duty cycle @ 3/4 power, and 60% duty-cycle @ full power.
sever cut means you can cut it with some "working it", not necessarily a clean cut.
call me i got all the answers...
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inverter technology uses circuit boards (electronics) instead of transformers (electrical) to create the output. much more efficient, hence the 100% duty cycle @ 3/4 power, and 60% duty-cycle @ full power.
sever cut means you can cut it with some "working it", not necessarily a clean cut.
call me i got all the answers...
1-888-281-2820
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (dfoxengr)
I got a Hyperterm powermax 380.
I mainly do sheetmetal and sometime 1/8 an 1/4 inch for some trailler or dune buggy frame... but the cutter do it fine each time... only the speed and amp setting are changing it cut trough 1/8 alum plate like butter.. and it's a very precise machine.
costed me 1740 Can $. I run it on a 10 amp 220 v breaker with no problem what's so ever.
cunsumeable are not costly and last long enough to my taste...
hope this help
jp
I mainly do sheetmetal and sometime 1/8 an 1/4 inch for some trailler or dune buggy frame... but the cutter do it fine each time... only the speed and amp setting are changing it cut trough 1/8 alum plate like butter.. and it's a very precise machine.
costed me 1740 Can $. I run it on a 10 amp 220 v breaker with no problem what's so ever.
cunsumeable are not costly and last long enough to my taste...
hope this help
jp
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (kranked91dx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kranked91dx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I got a Hyperterm powermax 380.
I mainly do sheetmetal and sometime 1/8 an 1/4 inch for some trailler or dune buggy frame... but the cutter do it fine each time... only the speed and amp setting are changing it cut trough 1/8 alum plate like butter.. and it's a very precise machine.
costed me 1740 Can $. I run it on a 10 amp 220 v breaker with no problem what's so ever.
cunsumeable are not costly and last long enough to my taste...
hope this help
jp
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Hypertherms are really good machines.
I was told they make plasmas for Miller. From a lot of people that I've heard use them, they all love them. Here's a video of a guy cutting 1" mild steel using a Hypertherm. Not sure which model but I'm sure it's a 1000 or 1200. I thinks it's towards the middle of the video when he does the cut. http://www.bbssystem.com/shop_video.wmv
I mainly do sheetmetal and sometime 1/8 an 1/4 inch for some trailler or dune buggy frame... but the cutter do it fine each time... only the speed and amp setting are changing it cut trough 1/8 alum plate like butter.. and it's a very precise machine.
costed me 1740 Can $. I run it on a 10 amp 220 v breaker with no problem what's so ever.
cunsumeable are not costly and last long enough to my taste...
hope this help
jp
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Hypertherms are really good machines.
I was told they make plasmas for Miller. From a lot of people that I've heard use them, they all love them. Here's a video of a guy cutting 1" mild steel using a Hypertherm. Not sure which model but I'm sure it's a 1000 or 1200. I thinks it's towards the middle of the video when he does the cut. http://www.bbssystem.com/shop_video.wmv
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (19civic93)
it's probably true that Hypertherms do plasma cutter for Miller since I bought it over a Miller dealer, who told me to took the Hypertherm since it was prolly cheaper than the Miller and since a very good machine
anyway I lover her and I would not change for anithing other in the same range of thickness... I tried a Lincoln that my friend's got over an ebay unction... the thing is far less stable from the Hyperterm arc... and the travel speed is slower for the same amp setting
see ya dude !
JP
anyway I lover her and I would not change for anithing other in the same range of thickness... I tried a Lincoln that my friend's got over an ebay unction... the thing is far less stable from the Hyperterm arc... and the travel speed is slower for the same amp setting
see ya dude !
JP
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (kranked91dx)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kranked91dx »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">it's probably true that Hypertherms do plasma cutter for Miller since I bought it over a Miller dealer, who told me to took the Hypertherm since it was prolly cheaper than the Miller and since a very good machine
anyway I lover her and I would not change for anithing other in the same range of thickness... I tried a Lincoln that my friend's got over an ebay unction... the thing is far less stable from the Hyperterm arc... and the travel speed is slower for the same amp setting
see ya dude !
JP
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That's why I originally didn't want the Lincoln.
anyway I lover her and I would not change for anithing other in the same range of thickness... I tried a Lincoln that my friend's got over an ebay unction... the thing is far less stable from the Hyperterm arc... and the travel speed is slower for the same amp setting
see ya dude !
JP
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That's why I originally didn't want the Lincoln.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DESTROYER »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">ok, since no one here even bothered to read what the original poster said...
Big brands like Miller, Lincoln, TD all typically use a non-inverter machine, i.e. transformer power. We sell a 40A plasma cutter that uses inverter technology that weighs in at about 20lbs, draws only 22 amps and cuts 5/8" clean, with a 3/4" sever cut. guess what? it doesnt cost over $900 dollars. This thing is not cheap in any way. we have a warranty to back it up, as we do all warranty repairs in house on a compnent level. dont waste your money on huge machines, and dont buy the BS hype that these guys may give you, only because they want to justify them spending 2-3 times more than what they had to. you'll see...</TD></TR></TABLE>
looks like an advertisement to me, lol.
Big brands like Miller, Lincoln, TD all typically use a non-inverter machine, i.e. transformer power. We sell a 40A plasma cutter that uses inverter technology that weighs in at about 20lbs, draws only 22 amps and cuts 5/8" clean, with a 3/4" sever cut. guess what? it doesnt cost over $900 dollars. This thing is not cheap in any way. we have a warranty to back it up, as we do all warranty repairs in house on a compnent level. dont waste your money on huge machines, and dont buy the BS hype that these guys may give you, only because they want to justify them spending 2-3 times more than what they had to. you'll see...</TD></TR></TABLE>
looks like an advertisement to me, lol.
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Re: plasma differences and experiences (19civic93)
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Am I missing something here? What does this have to do with what I said? I said Lincoln was equal in performance. I was not bashing Lincoln. It has nothing to do with liking blue over red. When I choose something it's usually between design, cost, performance, up keep, and how much I will use it. This plasma isn't my first Lincoln. I've had a Lincoln Mig and liked it. Just because I said I wanted a Miller plamsa doesn't mean I was going with the hype. I've always used Miller and Lincoln and have always been happy with their products. The reason why I wanted the Miller was because after talking to many people that have used both Miller and Lincoln plasma's the Miller was the over all better and cheaper to run. You talk about hype and I may be wrong here but it sounds to me like your tryin to hype up Lincoln. I don't buy stuff because of hype. I'm not some young kid tryin to make cars go fast either. I do like messin around with imports but I'm more into lowriders. That's also such a stereotype by sayin that going with the hype is expected by the public of a young group of car enthusiasts. What is the big deal with what people say about certain brands anyway. If you like it then that's all that matters. Are you hurt that you like Lincoln and Lincoln gets bashed on a lot with people sayin Miller's better? Would you even be sayin anything if it was the other way around and Miller was being bashed on? Who the hell cares what people say. Try different brands or ask people that has used them. That's the best way to find the right product you need. Don't assume people don't know what they are talking about and even more so if they are young. A lot of people in here have been in the automotive game just as long as you or even longer. I know you said this is not a personal attack on anyone but you did quote me and I just wanted to set the record straight.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe you were low on sleep when you typed this.... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just plain point this out to you from my post which you quoted.....
"FYI....This isn't a personal attack on anyone...just saying something that I think needs said as I am not afraid to stand alone if necessary."
Am I missing something here? What does this have to do with what I said? I said Lincoln was equal in performance. I was not bashing Lincoln. It has nothing to do with liking blue over red. When I choose something it's usually between design, cost, performance, up keep, and how much I will use it. This plasma isn't my first Lincoln. I've had a Lincoln Mig and liked it. Just because I said I wanted a Miller plamsa doesn't mean I was going with the hype. I've always used Miller and Lincoln and have always been happy with their products. The reason why I wanted the Miller was because after talking to many people that have used both Miller and Lincoln plasma's the Miller was the over all better and cheaper to run. You talk about hype and I may be wrong here but it sounds to me like your tryin to hype up Lincoln. I don't buy stuff because of hype. I'm not some young kid tryin to make cars go fast either. I do like messin around with imports but I'm more into lowriders. That's also such a stereotype by sayin that going with the hype is expected by the public of a young group of car enthusiasts. What is the big deal with what people say about certain brands anyway. If you like it then that's all that matters. Are you hurt that you like Lincoln and Lincoln gets bashed on a lot with people sayin Miller's better? Would you even be sayin anything if it was the other way around and Miller was being bashed on? Who the hell cares what people say. Try different brands or ask people that has used them. That's the best way to find the right product you need. Don't assume people don't know what they are talking about and even more so if they are young. A lot of people in here have been in the automotive game just as long as you or even longer. I know you said this is not a personal attack on anyone but you did quote me and I just wanted to set the record straight.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Maybe you were low on sleep when you typed this.... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and just plain point this out to you from my post which you quoted.....
"FYI....This isn't a personal attack on anyone...just saying something that I think needs said as I am not afraid to stand alone if necessary."