<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kb58 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Nice workmanship, but all you guys fall in love with it (or him apparently...) based on looks? It's pretty disappointing that virtually no one asked the obvious question, "what was the power gain?" Something like this probably works wonderful... at over 10,000rpm. Yeah there are people and cars out there that this will benefit greatly, and it's probably none of us here. Come on guys, it's not about bling.</TD></TR></TABLE>

runner length and zize has a lot to do with it. there is plenty people here making good power with them under 8.5k rpm

 

Okay, fair enough as long as the customer understands that under 8500 it'll probably be worst then stock. Of course some people won't care as it'll guarantee Mad Propz either way...

 

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Ugh, no.

That's a common misconception. One that I admit I held for a long time.

Do some research and look at some dyno graphs compared to a high quality IM and you will see in general peak HP is not increased significantly, but the area under the curved greatly is.

I plan on picking up a set from H3vtec when I get around too it. I would make one myself but I don't wanna bother trying to MIG alluminum.

 

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Ugh, no.

That's a common misconception. One that I admit I held for a long time.

Do some research and look at some dyno graphs compared to a high quality IM and you will see in general peak HP is not increased significantly, but the area under the curved greatly is.

I plan on picking up a set from H3vtec when I get around too it. I would make one myself but I don't wanna bother trying to MIG alluminum.</TD></TR></TABLE>


thank you. some people talk out of their ***. you cant beleive the stupid questions i get IM'ed for lately

 

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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H23vtecEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> thank you, some people talk out of their ***...</TD></TR></TABLE>

You know, the problem is a product comes out and because it looks cool, everyone assumes it works. I built a header, so what does that mean? That I can sell them because they look nice? Not that simple.

Let's see proof of your IM, a dyno printout. By your remark, you're pretty confident, which must mean you already tested it, right? Good, let's see a run from 2000 to 10,000rpm of your IM, comparing it to a high quality off-the-shelf IM. This is your design and you're talking smack, back it up. For incentive, prove me wrong and I'll likely become a customer. But if the curve is not as you're agreeing with, "peak HP is not increased significantly, but the area under the curved greatly is" then we'll all know what's what, won't we.

 

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You know, the problem is a product comes out and because it looks cool, everyone assumes it works. I built a header, so what does that mean? That I can sell them because they look nice? Not that simple.

Let's see proof of your IM, a dyno printout. By your remark, you're pretty confident, which must mean you already tested it, right? Good, let's see a run from 2000 to 10,000rpm of your IM, comparing it to a high quality off-the-shelf IM. This is your design and you're talking smack, back it up. For incentive, prove me wrong and I'll likely become a customer. But if the curve is not as you're agreeing with, "peak HP is not increased significantly, but the area under the curved greatly is" then we'll all know what's what, won't we.</TD></TR></TABLE>

ok get off my thread dont ever post here again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ok
now for the real deal i have a b16 bolt pattern itb's for anyone to prove that these things make power across the board. who ever has dyno time and tunning available im me i will lend them out just to prove people wrong . IM me so i can prove this focking retard that thinks he knows everything wrong.
im looking for a mild done up engine with a few mods, prefebly with cams.

 

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Let's see proof of your IM, a dyno printout. By your remark, you're pretty confident, which must mean you already tested it, right? Good, let's see a run from 2000 to 10,000rpm of your IM, comparing it to a high quality off-the-shelf IM. This is your design and you're talking smack, back it up. For incentive, prove me wrong and I'll likely become a customer. But if the curve is not as you're agreeing with, "peak HP is not increased significantly, but the area under the curved greatly is" then we'll all know what's what, won't we.</TD></TR></TABLE>

This is like a never ending thing... ITB's are not all about gaining power on the dyno. The key benefit of ITB's cannot be measured on a dyno.

Throttle response is what most people look for when switching to individual throttles. A properly setup and tuned ITB's will also gain power as well, but the where the power gain is located on the powerband would depend on the runner length, horn size, throttle size, etc...

Most guys would stay away from ITB's because of:

- price
- complexity (needing vacuum log, lots of lines, etc...)
- tuning (only works flawlessly with an aftermarket EMS)

ITB's are really a thing that you have to experience to believe. But because of the outrageous price for a bolt-on ITB kit, not many people would have a chanve to experience it. But the new thing right now is fabbing adapters/manifolds to use motorcycle ITB's which dramatically lowers the price. I am sure there will be more videos, dyno plots, track times, etc... on ITB equipped cars in the near future.

 

PLS, e-mail me with : butterfly size of the ITB's.
Could you make a set for a Toyota 3TC? Ifso, how much?
Do you sell ITB's separate?

Let me know soon!

 

Thanks, that answers a lot of questions. With them being individual, how are the throttle plates synchronized to ensure exactly the same airflow through each? Air-flow gage like on SU carbs?

 

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each flange and runner, angle is done at .001 inch. i work at a high-tech machine shop and use comperators that are worth more then your house

 

i have some dyno time booked next month at payn tech in detroit. i'd love to give your product a shot and see what kinda gains your itb's give over my skunk2 intake manifold.

email if your interested.

 

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synchronizing is not his deal, its on the users end and where they get their itbs from. Bardi is only selling an adaptor to bolt motorcycle itbs to.

 

I thought your topic was "In The Butt" at first. Me funny.

 

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what???????????????? in the butt?????????????

 

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synchronizing is not his deal, its on the users end and where they get their itbs from. Bardi is only selling an adaptor to bolt motorcycle itbs to. </TD></TR></TABLE>

i dont know why people are so afraid to start this project. its cheap its something anyone could do, yes every setup is different thats why i let people choose their runner length 3-6 inches or higher if they need. as long sa the itbs are spred apart to your engine you can try different length horns to acommidate your setup or needs. there are threads here on how to fix the tps problem when using suzuki itbs, and how to fix idle valve issues as well.

 

Another advantage of ITBs is the large weight savings. After I get the car done and on the road then I'll look into them.

 

what are you charging for these? how many have you sold? it looks good...hopefully preforms as well as it looks

if it matters on price I have a B16

 

Dear sir,
You never replied to my post!!??

PLS, let me know soon!

 

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You never replied to my post!!??

PLS, let me know soon!</TD></TR></TABLE>

sorry no toyotas. only hondas... ican make them for toyotas but dont want to bother

for those who want prices flanges as of now are $70 shipped, with runners 120 shipped. for any make and model honda. no lowballers either if cant afford it dont IM me this aint the red cross i dont do handouts............... aiiiiiiiiiiiight

 

hey there, I pm'd you about the itb parts a couple of days ago(civic_b20). anyway I was wondering if you have a flange for LS. If so I would like to buy one also 1 for b16 and one set of runners for now. Please let me know if you have them available, your paypal address, and the total shipped to 85282.

thanks again,
Josh

 

what kind of numbers do these make? this is pretty neat though man, keep it up, you may be on to something.

 

so you are selling the complete ITB for 120 shipped?

 

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you need to find the itbs off a gsxr1k or something. he is selling runners welded to a flange only.

 

It can be tough to get ITBs working well in a non-race environment so be prepared for some work. Here's a thread on this over on the PGMFI site:
http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=3173

 

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go ask toda, twm, jenvey etc</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well since you made the design choice not to include injector bungs in the factory position I thought you would of had a logical reason.

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It can be tough to get ITBs working well in a non-race environment so be prepared for some work. Here's a thread on this over on the PGMFI site:
http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=3173[/QUOTE</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didnt have too many problems with mine and it was daily driven