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Old May 25, 2004 | 10:31 PM
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I was told I didn't need to put solder them in when chipping my P75 ECU. I was only told I need 27C256 socket, and eprom, 74HC373, and jumper #1. Any info on what the capacitors do exactly? thanks.
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Old May 25, 2004 | 11:17 PM
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Old May 26, 2004 | 05:29 AM
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Well, by definition, a capacitor stores energy. not exactly sure as to what those 2 are doing exactly, except storing energy. Hope this helps
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Old May 26, 2004 | 05:36 AM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (94B18B1Teg)

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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 07:44 AM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (94B18B1Teg)

I was also told this. Does it make a difference if you use them or not? and what about the resistor?
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 09:22 PM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (ALL MOTOR LS)

They could be used for a number of things.... block any DC voltages (filter out noise), ground coupling to reduce ground loops.....
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Old Jun 9, 2004 | 10:27 PM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (vp rsvmille)

They are used as a filter, but I've never run into a situation where running without them caused a problem (as I have heard from others). I'll test one without caps and our emulator when I get a chance.
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Old Jun 10, 2004 | 05:56 AM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (Kataku2K3)

They are decoupling capacitors that filter the voltage supply for the chips. Their value is .01uf and at 20 cents each why not use them.
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 12:25 AM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (Jim Truett)

Just jump J1 and run the resistor on R54 along with the 74HC373. The capacitors are not need as evidence by Hondata no longer supplying them in their socketing hardware.
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 04:17 AM
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So if a P75 doesn't even use R54 then do use anything? Does it make any difference?
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Old Jun 12, 2004 | 08:06 AM
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Just J1 then.
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 03:45 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rocket &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The capacitors are not need as evidence by Hondata no longer supplying them in their socketing hardware.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Then why did Denshigiken and IPT use them on every ECU to come from the factory with an external ROM?
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Old Jun 14, 2004 | 03:50 PM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (Jim Truett)

Good question.

But chipping/socketing works fine without them.
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 08:26 AM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (Rocket)

So even if you already have the capacitors, you shouldn't solder them in?
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Old Jun 16, 2004 | 10:18 AM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (ALL MOTOR LS)

Go ahead and solder them in, it will give you a warm fuzzy feeling deep inside. That's the only reason why I add them.
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Old Jun 27, 2004 | 12:29 PM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (94B18B1Teg)

Sorry to bring this back up, but I was banned...in the mean time.

So I'm guessing from what everybody has said here is that I definately do not need the solder in the capacitors..but it seems like nobody knows what effect they have when having them/not having them. I pulled my ECU a few days ago...just to look at it before I go ahead and take it to my friends to get it socketed and everything. I'm still kind of lost as to where or what I should jump..#1 to, and where is C51 or C52 anyway? thanks.
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Old Jun 27, 2004 | 01:05 PM
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Default Re: when chipping ECU, what do the capacitors in C51 and C52 do? (pushinlsteg)

Jim Truett - are right.

c51, c52 are power filters. I't mean what at some time, when eeprom reading/writing it's need stable voltage.
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Old Jul 20, 2004 | 08:12 PM
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Anyone know the DLC Pin outs for 1997 Honda Accord??

My accord won't communicate for the stupid OBDII test. Passes emissions and the ECU is fine. The manual DTC tests out fine.
I want to confirm the pins, continuity and voltage if possible any suggestions??

Thanks.
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