I had an LS crank put in my GSR block and I was told the oil squirters had to be removed. Can this cause problems in the long run?

 

the oil squirters cool your piston

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Witty &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I had an LS crank put in my GSR block and I was told the oil squirters had to be removed. Can this cause problems in the long run? </TD></TR></TABLE>
Just curious. Why would you put an LS crank into a GSR block? If I were you I would look for a GSR crank and keep the squirters. Honda put them there for a reason. Good luck

 

you can use the oil squirtters with any crank, though many people remove the oil squirters to improve the oil pressure.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dkim48 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Just curious. Why would you put an LS crank into a GSR block? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Answer: Increase in displacement & torque.
Doing this provides an advantage over LS/VTEC because no modifications to the head need to be done for oil rerouting. And the oil spray jets are another advantage, but seeing that this guy's engine setup has them deleted, kinda blows.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Hriday &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you can use the oil squirtters with any crank, though many people remove the oil squirters to improve the oil pressure. </TD></TR></TABLE>

wrong..

larger cranks cause clearance problems wiht the squirters, you dont need them if you get forgeed pistons, basically you have and LSvtec now..

 

That's the idea, econo buildup. I have heard there are clearance problems with the oil squirters but eventually they wear down and clearance problem is solved. That's why I don't understand why this guy cut them off. So what kind of problems can I run into down the line?

 

Damn thats news to me! LS crank in gsr increases displacement? Can someone elaborte as to why? Longer stroke? What else is needed to do this, like do i have to get ls rods with a certain length or what?

Tell me more tell me more!!!
Sorry im not so knowledgable

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TheRedSkoolingBus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Damn thats news to me! LS crank in gsr increases displacement? Can someone elaborte as to why? Longer stroke? What else is needed to do this, like do i have to get ls rods with a certain length or what?

Tell me more tell me more!!!
Sorry im not so knowledgable </TD></TR></TABLE>

Longer stroke.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Witty &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">That's the idea, econo buildup. I have heard there are clearance problems with the oil squirters but eventually they wear down and clearance problem is solved. That's why I don't understand why this guy cut them off. So what kind of problems can I run into down the line?</TD></TR></TABLE>
they wear down haha, maybe if you want them to break off and or have crucial metal shavings running through your motor...

 

So what kind of problems can I run into down the line?

 

Basically the squirters keep the whole assembly (pistons, rods, bearings..etc...) cooler... the squirters are a GREAT thing to have. Although the larger throw of the LS crank might cause clearance problems... I dont' see why the builder did not modify them (Bend, essentially) to allow clearance... those things would be the main reason I'd get a gsr block in the first place !

 

So should I put in one of those oil lines that LS/VTEC's have? Or is that for something different?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AlterEgo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">those things would be the main reason I'd get a gsr block in the first place !</TD></TR></TABLE>

no ****! Why even bother with that block..

I've heard this oil squirter thing is a rumor with the LS crank.. I don't know what to believe.

Someday I will try it for myself though.

 

i will know soon enough i am waiting on my crank and block to arrive.
i will make them work i need the squirters though. yes ls rods need to be used when putting a ls crank in a gsr block.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Chugger &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i will know soon enough i am waiting on my crank and block to arrive.
i will make them work i need the squirters though. yes ls rods need to be used when putting a ls crank in a gsr block.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well, the crank/rods is why you get the extra displacement...

BTW, I have a set of GSR squirters FS: $45 + shipping

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basically ...... the squirters are aimed at the bottom of the piston on all the b motors with vtec, and has a check ball that allows the oil to squirt at 11 psi of oil pressure..... with the ls crank the stroke is incressed by 2 mm, and the crank would hit the squirters if they were left in..... the squirters are not needed, but they do help prevent detonation... most drag racers take off the squirers, to lighten the recipricating weight. does it make a difference? not much of one if you ask me. make sure that the squirter holes are plugged up other wise you will have oil pressure problems.

 

OH, I didnt think that the b16's had oil squiters....learn something new every day.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 4g4me &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">OH, I didnt think that the b16's had oil squiters....learn something new every day.

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yep all b-series VTEC blocks have oil spray jets.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by coos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">...most drag racers take off the squirers, to lighten the recipricating weight. does it make a difference? not much of one if you ask me. make sure that the squirter holes are plugged up other wise you will have oil pressure problems. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Questions about your comments:

1) How would removing the squirters affect the weight of the reciprocating assembly ? (Aside from the mass of the oil)

2) How do you figure the squirters don't make much of a difference ?

Why do I ask ?

1) The squirters are on the block itself, not connected to the reciprocating assembly. The only extra 'weight' on the assembly created by them is the jet of oil that is sprayed on the piston bottom, resulting in excess oil constantly running down the piston/rod/bearing/crank...etc.... hardly a weight issue when running a wet sump system.

2) Oil squirters do a tremendous job of keeping down temperatures of the piston tops... why do you think many factory turbo cars come with them ?? Many people on this board say forged pistons do away with the need for squirters due to their ability to withstand and dissipate heat... but squirters keep down piston temps and therefore increase the engine's resistance to detonation. With forged slugs, turn up the boost to a manly level and squirters could save your engine.

Secondly, squirters not only keep down piston temps, they also aid in bearing lubrication and play a large role in heat transfer. Why do you think they are present in a high revving vtec motor and not in the lower revving LS motor !? So now, what is being said is that a 8K rpm GSR uses squirters, a 6800rpm LS doesn't use them... so a 8K rpm LS doesn't need them ?

The drag racers that you refer to, may remove squirters to maintain higher oil pressures and go for every last ounce of power, but those would be people that are willing to sacrifice longjevity for power.

Sure, the motor will run w/o them, but Honda engineers aren't stupid guys... squirters get

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1) How would removing the squirters affect the weight of the reciprocating assembly ? (Aside from the mass of the oil)

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edit: 11psi of oil squirting against the bottom of your piston.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by STD ONEpointSIX &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

edit: 11psi of oil squirting against the bottom of your piston.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's 11psi at the squirter... I doubt the pressure stays constant thru the air...lol

BTW... I know honda's have low tq #'s but a little oil's gonna slow ya down ? heh heh... The benefits FAR outweigh the costs.

 

Is it only the VTEC motors that have oil squirters then? From what I understand the DOHC VTECs have them and the LS doesn't. I know that my SOHC VTEC has them also. So i assume the non-VTEC SOHCs won't have them then right?

 

so i could get a gsr block, put an ls crank in it, modify the squirters and basically have an ls-vtec engine? will i have the same power results?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by icelarry27 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so i could get a gsr block, put an ls crank in it, modify the squirters and basically have an ls-vtec engine? will i have the same power results? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes.


BTW, didn't think SOHC VTEC motors had squirters... is that true ?


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