VTEC!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (DemostheneZ)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by DemostheneZ »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">IDEALY if you feel VTEC AT ALL then it's turning on WAAAY too late, you want it set low enough you don't feel it turn on w/o having it turn on too early either... VTEC is designed so that you can maintain a flatter powerband all through the curve, that way it doesn't bump... that "bump" that you are so proud of is the part where you're losing power right before vtec turns on, so in reality the whole jerk back into the seat feeling is just that the car was losing acceleration and it gaining it back, rather than maintaining a rock solid acceleration throughout the whole curve. vtec is the all the lag w/o the turbo 
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I never said anything about me getting put back in my seat when vtec crosses over. All I said is that when I cross over I pull on him as opposed to not pulling at all and making a badass crossover. Like I said, I would rather have the power than the noticable cross over. We have yet to race but we have both let loose in second gear and when I crossed over I pulled a great bit. Also if that pull is so bad and not meant to do what it does then why does my other friends stock 01' type R do the same thing when he crosses over? This is what it does straight out of the factory. Can you explain that to me?
</TD></TR></TABLE>I never said anything about me getting put back in my seat when vtec crosses over. All I said is that when I cross over I pull on him as opposed to not pulling at all and making a badass crossover. Like I said, I would rather have the power than the noticable cross over. We have yet to race but we have both let loose in second gear and when I crossed over I pulled a great bit. Also if that pull is so bad and not meant to do what it does then why does my other friends stock 01' type R do the same thing when he crosses over? This is what it does straight out of the factory. Can you explain that to me?
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (EE_Chris)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EE_Chris »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Are you slower than him? Thats the real Q.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah thats all that matters.
Are you slower than him? Thats the real Q.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yeah thats all that matters.
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (Kamin)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kamin »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its tuned conservativley from the factory, every honda b series with vtec does this.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Thank you, the guy above was saying that that is not supposed to happen.
Thank you, the guy above was saying that that is not supposed to happen.
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (NA_B16a2)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by NA_B16a2 »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Yeah thats all that matters.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We will see very soon. But I know I pull more while in vtec.
Yeah thats all that matters.</TD></TR></TABLE>
We will see very soon. But I know I pull more while in vtec.
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (beaterdriver)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by beaterdriver »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">just get bigger cams than those itrs, then get it tuned. you'll beat him senseless then</TD></TR></TABLE>
yup, saving for some skunk 2 stage 2s. And I plan on whooping on him at the track this thursday. That is if he goes.
yup, saving for some skunk 2 stage 2s. And I plan on whooping on him at the track this thursday. That is if he goes.
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The theories that are being created are incredible.
No, then you know that you have 2 different motors, and they will never sound identical.
Remember, every motor is different.
Displacement on a 4 banger isn't going to affect sound as much as say......a 2 stage intake manifold.
At least you gave it a shot.
Actually, on most motors, because of the more agressive profile, ITR/CTR cams will make a bit more noise at crossover.
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The GSR intake manifold is completely different from the B16 and ITR.
I co-sign, this is getting crazy now. 
Bigger isn't always better when it comes to upgrades. If you don't have the proper compression and performance upgrades to back up the large cams, you're wasting your money, and may end up making less power.
Sorry man, I don't see it.
Originally Posted by EE_Chris
Put your stock cams back in your motor along with the stock exhaust (assuming that is what your friend is running). If yours is not as loud as his, then you know something is up.
Originally Posted by preacherboy
I've heard that, if you can't really feel your vtec or hear your vtec the better your car is.. what i mean is, it's tuned better and it runs better if you can't really feel or hear the power difference, but it's still there. In other words Vtec is more "flush" with the rest of the power band. Any one, if im wrong correct me, thanks
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Originally Posted by dohcVTEChatch
This may be off-topic, but my gsr motor is more quite in vtec than my friends si. So how can a 1.6 be louder than a 1.8?
Originally Posted by dohcVTEChatch
I have come to the conclusion that maybe since the b16 head flows like an R that maybe it is a bit louder. Mine has more of a deep tone which also may be from a bigger displacement?
Originally Posted by FrankBullitt
My vtec kicks me back in my seat quite a bit, but I have my hondata ecu tuned to do so. My dyno readouts show a nice little 'hump' in the powerband as it hits the vtec crossover, which gives it a more sudden transition. I also agree with preacherboy that yours sounds to be a more gradual transition than others. The ITR cams have something to do with it, and after that, TUNING. thats it.
Originally Posted by THEINTEGRATION
Si were suppopsedly made to be "sportier/racier" than GSRs. The GSR was intentiuonally meant to be a sporty car with many luxuries. So therefore it would all make sense if VTEC engaged more smoothly instead of having that jolting/shoot back into your seat type feeling with Type R engines and B16s. Therefore the sound would be smoother and more gradual also. And yes, I want to switch out my GSR VTEC solenoid for a Spoon one or something :P
.The GSR intake manifold is completely different from the B16 and ITR.
Originally Posted by Mr Milano
Someone delete this thread please. Jesus christ.
Originally Posted by beaterdriver
just get bigger cams than those itrs, then get it tuned. you'll beat him senseless then
Originally Posted by THEINTEGRATION
hey it's just my theory 
no need to flame the crap out of me for it. But think of it, wouldn't make sense though?
no need to flame the crap out of me for it. But think of it, wouldn't make sense though?
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (dohcVTEChatch)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dohcVTEChatch »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">This may be off-topic, but my gsr motor is more quite in vtec than my friends si. So how can a 1.6 be louder than a 1.8?
The b16 seems to "pop" into vtec where as mine just smoothly crosses over. This is true for every b16 v. gsr motor I have heard.
I have come to the conclusion that maybe since the b16 head flows like an R that maybe it is a bit louder. Mine has more of a deep tone which also may be from a bigger displacement?
Just a guess?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it's because you have a completely different intake manifold.
The "GSR" B18C uses a dual-stage intake manifold, as opposed to the B16A and "Type-R" B18C which use single-stage manifolds.
The GSR B18C engages the VTEC cam lobes at 4400 RPM, and opens up the secondary intake manifold runners at 5800 RPM. The changeover in the intake manifold is what you're hearing when you hear the change in noise at high-RPM. With a single-stage intake manifold, you're hearing the VTEC cam lobe changeover.
The b16 seems to "pop" into vtec where as mine just smoothly crosses over. This is true for every b16 v. gsr motor I have heard.
I have come to the conclusion that maybe since the b16 head flows like an R that maybe it is a bit louder. Mine has more of a deep tone which also may be from a bigger displacement?
Just a guess?</TD></TR></TABLE>
No, it's because you have a completely different intake manifold.
The "GSR" B18C uses a dual-stage intake manifold, as opposed to the B16A and "Type-R" B18C which use single-stage manifolds.
The GSR B18C engages the VTEC cam lobes at 4400 RPM, and opens up the secondary intake manifold runners at 5800 RPM. The changeover in the intake manifold is what you're hearing when you hear the change in noise at high-RPM. With a single-stage intake manifold, you're hearing the VTEC cam lobe changeover.
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (Targa250R)
Thank yu Jesus for the intelligent comments at the end of the thread....I was starting to get a headache from the sensless babble of morons who seemingly know nothing about Honda's.
People, People...please....I implore you.....do not post information unless you know it to be factual. The amount of mis-information and just plain retarded comments is enough to make every engineer at Honda throw up on themselves.
People, People...please....I implore you.....do not post information unless you know it to be factual. The amount of mis-information and just plain retarded comments is enough to make every engineer at Honda throw up on themselves.
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (EG6 SiR)
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Thank you, the guy above was saying that that is not supposed to happen. </TD></TR></TABLE>
that's not what i meant, sure it does it from the factory, but what i meant is IDEALLY you want it just at the point where you wouldn't feel it turn on, that way you have a flatter curve all the way through the powerband
Modified by DemostheneZ at 9:41 AM 7/14/2004
Thank you, the guy above was saying that that is not supposed to happen.
</TD></TR></TABLE>that's not what i meant, sure it does it from the factory, but what i meant is IDEALLY you want it just at the point where you wouldn't feel it turn on, that way you have a flatter curve all the way through the powerband
Modified by DemostheneZ at 9:41 AM 7/14/2004
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Re: VTEC!!!!!!!!!! (Ignitecivic)
this type of intake could do it to, but really, do you need to hear it. VTEC is loud as **** in my stock d16z6, but thats probably because i have head issues and i'm burning oil like ******* crazy.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by lowyellow »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
hmmm.. are you using a 24" resonator with your pipings?
this could help solve the problem.
but hey i'm no guru. :D just tryin to help.
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no resonator, just header to test pipe to 2.25" piping to es oval
hmmm.. are you using a 24" resonator with your pipings?
this could help solve the problem.
but hey i'm no guru. :D just tryin to help.
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no resonator, just header to test pipe to 2.25" piping to es oval
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Re: (THEINTEGRATION)
hmm. interesting post....lol......All I know is my vtec puts my *** in the trunk when it engages. 
Actually it is very loud, but i feel very little., However you can watch the R's climb a reasonable amount faster.
Actually it is very loud, but i feel very little., However you can watch the R's climb a reasonable amount faster.
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