ok i have some questions reguarding uberdata. ive read pretty much everything on uberdata.pgmfi.org but i still have some questions.

first and foremost im having prolems registering on the site (hence why im asking here). whenever i try to register or get my password sent to my email (forgot my password), i get an error saying that it cant connect to the server. i can see that people have been posting recently and ive been having this problem with this site for weeks now. anyone know what the deal is? it would be great if i could post my questions on that site.

onto the questions...

like i said before ive read pretty much all the stickies and articles and stuff but everything is boost oriented. are there any writeups on how to tune an NA setup? they all really dont mess with the non-boost portion of the fuel maps. but i cant mess with them cause im not boosted. so what do i adjust?

also im gonna be datalogging. i just got a laptop, and im soon gonna get a burner, wideband o2 sensor, and the other datalogging stuff. also for my wideband i think im gonna go with the plx m300. im still undecided but this is what i think im gonna go with. this wbo2 has a simulated narrowband right?

so how would i hook this up and still be able to easily switch between narrow and wideband. i was thinking i could just wire in a switch on pin d14, i believe, and have one pole of the switch on the wideband signal and the other pole on the narrow band signal. that way i can use the wide band for datalogging and tuning, then hit the switch to jump over to narrowband for normal driving/racing and stuff. but i think id need two identical chips for this too wouldnt i? one for datalogging with the o2 sensor disabled and one for normal driving/racing that reads the narrow band signal. is this correct? cause thats what makes sense in my head.

also for the digital readout on the wbo2 if you have the narrow band hooked up, will it show the narrowband or the wideband? im guessing wideband, but i want to be sure.

also i see that many of these widebands use a "controller". do i need that? or can i just use the actual sensor? cause from what i gather i just hook the signal wire from the wbo2 to the ecu on the stock signal wire (d14). then on your basemap or whatever map you are tuning with, you just turn off the closed loop and turn off the o2 heater. but im confused how the a/f ratio gets logged if you tun off closed loop.

thanks for reading my book, lol. hopefully someone will be able to answer all of these questions

and if someone who can get on uberdata.pgmfi.org would copy and paste this post and post it on that site in the appropriate forum, and link me to the thread, i would be greatly appreciative

 

i would suggest reading the wiki on pgmfi.org

 

the wiki? wtf is that?

ive already read most everything on uberdata.pgmfi.org and i still have additional questions.

 

Read:
http://home.mn.rr.com/keebler65/honda/tuning.html
http://pgmfi.org

Concerning datalogging, disable open loop (o2 feedback), disable o2 heater.
Input the wideband's 0-5v signal to d14 for datalogging.

 

I don't know, you're f-ed

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> also for my wideband i think im gonna go with the plx m300. im still undecided but this is what i think im gonna go with. this wbo2 has a simulated narrowband right? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yes, definitely get it.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">so how would i hook this up and still be able to easily switch between narrow and wideband. i was thinking i could just wire in a switch on pin d14, i believe, and have one pole of the switch on the wideband signal and the other pole on the narrow band signal. that way i can use the wide band for datalogging and tuning, then hit the switch to jump over to narrowband for normal driving/racing and stuff.</TD></TR></TABLE>

That's what I did

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> but i think id need two identical chips for this too wouldnt i? one for datalogging with the o2 sensor disabled and one for normal driving/racing that reads the narrow band signal. is this correct? cause thats what makes sense in my head.</TD></TR></TABLE>

No, you don't have to enable the o2 sensor to datalog with a wideband. You select the PLX from a drop down menu under the "datalogging" tab and as long as the wideband signal is being fed into D14, you can datalog. You can do this even with o2 disabled under the "misc" tab.


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also for the digital readout on the wbo2 if you have the narrow band hooked up, will it show the narrowband or the wideband? im guessing wideband, but i want to be sure.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It always displays wideband.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also i see that many of these widebands use a "controller". do i need that? or can i just use the actual sensor? cause from what i gather i just hook the signal wire from the wbo2 to the ecu on the stock signal wire (d14). then on your basemap or whatever map you are tuning with, you just turn off the closed loop and turn off the o2 heater. but im confused how the a/f ratio gets logged if you tun off closed loop.</TD></TR></TABLE>


First of all, DAMN your compound questions! And to clarify, if you ever hear the phrases "wideband", "wbo2", "wideband oxygen sensor", or "wbo2 controller", they are all a reference to a "wideband system" if you will. It consists of an actual sensor and a controller box. The sensor by istelf does nothing - you just unscrew your factory sensor and screw in the wideband sensor. The "wideband" capabilities come from the fact that the sensor feeds into some sort of controller box. The PLX M-300, for example, uses a bosch sensor which plugs into the controller box (which also functions as a display). Most "wideband systems" are $300. The wideband sensor itself is about $60.

As far as logging afr's, you are confused. Datalogging has nothing to do with actual maps. You can datalog no matter what. You will understand everything in a few minutes once you set everything up and get started. Most uber knowledge comes form hands-on experience.

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and if someone who can get on uberdata.pgmfi.org would copy and paste this post and post it on that site in the appropriate forum, and link me to the thread, i would be greatly appreciative </TD></TR></TABLE>

Whatever, screw the uberdata forum. I can't stand it. The people there are ricer teeny boppers, and ******** to boot. H-T is the best resource for everything and I won't go anywhere else. I say screw the people who re-direct uber questions oustide of H-T.

Although, some of the people in the Pgmfi forums are very smart when it comes to technical electronics questions. I go there when I need help with complex electronics circuitry (like repairing an ECU).

 

Also, definitely buy ostrich. Come to think of it, I've never really used my burner or eprom chips. My ostrich is always plugged in. I can play and tweak with my maps whenever I want. It's $175, but it's worth it.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by GSRCRXsi &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">the wiki? wtf is that?

ive already read most everything on uberdata.pgmfi.org and i still have additional questions.</TD></TR></TABLE>

right here
http://www.pgmfi.org/twiki/bin...bHome

here is a sample of the info there:

Beginners Section
(blundar sez: if you're getting started, read these in the order they appear. Much wisdom has been distilled into these pages.)

* What You Need - to get started chipping ECUs
* Introduction To ECUChipping - A great article to help you get started.
* Chipping With Pictures - want to visually see what is involved in chipping an ECU?
* Basic Concepts - "vocabulary" of ECUs.... read here if you want to understand what's going on
* Understanding Maps - to help you understand and read fuel and ignition maps
* Begginers FAQ - intended to help those who are getting started after the above resources.
* Ecu Troubleshooting - how to figure out what isn't working


uberdata.pgmfi.org is specific to Uberdata ONLY. there iss an assumption that you have basic knowledge of what you are doing already...sort of how doing an engine swap means you know what a ratchet is and how ot use it. you need to gain teh basic knowledge before you starting screwing your ecus up....

 

thanks everyone for the replies.

enzo i wasnt talking about enabling the o2 sensor to datalog. i wat talking about enabling it after i got a map that i wanted to stick with. it said on the unberdata site that to datalog a wideband signal you had to turn off the o2 sensor and disable closed loop mode so the wideband signal can be logged. im just making sure that is correct. and then when i got a map i wanted i would re enable the o2 sensor and run it back in closed loop mode (with the narrow band simulated input hooked up). but for the tuning part (which i will be datalogging for) im gonna run the wideband signal.

did i get that right? lol, im sorry if that was confusing.

oh and can you re-burn chips? or once its burned do you have to throw it away and start with a new one?

 

You can re-burn as much as you want.

And yeah, you lost me with the o2 stuff. I don't really know - I've had closed loop permanently disabled since I started. Gas mileage is the same.