ok...i know that this has been posted EVERYWHERE, and yes, i've read thru lots of the forums already. the reason why i want this thread is because by reading thru other forums, my questions really isnt answered. my question(s) is....

I plan to purchase a b16a + tranny(lsd). and no, i dont want to do a ls/vtec or get a b20, or just turbo my d16. i made up my mind with a b16 for many reasons. so, i got 5 grand to spend on the engine itself, suspension and tires have already been taken care of, so 5 grand in the motor alone. should i, go with a DRAG turbo kit or run with a all motor setup instead? easy question to answer, huh? most would say, go with the turbo, better bang for the buck and quicker times. a few things to consider:

1) how reliable is a na motor being a turbo motor? like yes the DRAG turbo kit comes with everything you need, but, my worry is...this is going to be my daily driver, of course, and with that in mind, i like my engine to "sing" and "wake up" every so often. so, am i going to have to get the car tuned very weekend?

2) how about turbo maintenance?

with the turbo route, i should easily push 250hp+, right? i have a 94 ex coupe, with slicks what kind of numbers am i expecting in the 1/4mile?

on the other side of the topic, all motor. i'm pretty sure this is like the MOST reliable way to go. as far as i can see, there really isnt much downside to it, or any worries i have. if there are, let me know.

now for numbers, dumping 5 grand in the motor, roughly, i should be at 210-250hp also right? with slicks, should i still be reaching the same times as the turbo setup? if not, how much of a difference?

I thank you for everyone's patience and help regarding this.

 

Use the LSD B tranny for a better cause and mate it to an H22 longblock.

Seriously consider getting a B16 unless you are getting the whole swap for 1000.00 otherwise you will be somewhat dissapointed. Especially if going all motor.

If you want to boost bad then get a B18A/B and boost it. You will save money in the long run.

The H2B can be put together for under 5000.00 easily.

 

sauceja is right get a b18a or b it'll save you alot and turbo it... you'll make good numbers.. make sure to use that left over money for rods pistons and head work..

 

i have a 93 hatch with a turbo'd d15 and its poo poo. no toque or hp

how reliable: this its determined by, how its built, how good its tuned and how you treat it

maintenance: get a wideband to watch ur air/fuel, get a turbo timer so u dont burn up the turbo seals, check oil and coolent daily

i have a friend with a 97 coupe turbo'd b16 and it had 295 hp and 195 torque at 10lb did a 13.3 with drag radials.

another friend of mine had a delsol, N/A b16 with cams and a race pipe i believe and did a 14.4

 

thanks for the info....

if i was going for the b16a, i was planning to get the complete swap (motor+tranny). but a h22a, huh....???

how easy or difficult is it to bolt the b tranny on the h22a block?

 

thanks for the info....

yeah, i really dont want to do a d16 turbo thing....

i drove one and it wasnt all that great....my friends 99 stock SI pulls harder.... and to make a d16 fast, you have to build it pretty damn well....

thanks for the numbers....295hp and ran 13.3. so with slicks, thats a easy low 12 sec car....the na b16 wasnt bad either....thats better good just considering those mods.....

 

turboing any Bseries is going to yeild good power.

Any Bseries motor qcould easily acheive 300WHP in stock form

B16's are said to be the most street friendly b/c they have lower torque numbers making it hook up.

If i were to do another street setup, it would be a turbo b16 and if it blows, put an LS bootm underneath it and ur good.

 

thanks for the info...

that's the MAIN reason why i want the b16...because i too also heard that its the best for street using...because of the low torque...less torque, less spin, more grip....

who else can agree to this?

 

I'd say keep the b16 head and find a gsr block ;D and/or get yourself a h22A and keep it N/A and you'll be raping kids left and right. If its gonna be a daily driven car remember...if u go boost your gas mileage is gonna be practically gonna be non existant...imagine havin to spool just to drive 1/10 of a mile to another stop light =X Up to you dude.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by EJ1_spoolin &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">thanks for the info...

that's the MAIN reason why i want the b16...because i too also heard that its the best for street using...because of the low torque...less torque, less spin, more grip....

who else can agree to this?</TD></TR></TABLE>

or u just get stickier tires, and play with the throttle until you hook then let it go.

u can spin the tires with any setup, specially if ur tires suck.

launching is all about torque and traction. How do you suppose some v8's launch so hard? They have **** loads of torque and u dont see them spinnning like ****** and complain they have too much torque that they cant hook

 

Boosting a properly built N/A motor is not a good idea due to the high compression.

When it comes to boost - Lower Compression &gt; High Compression.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bjorn20 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

launching is all about torque and traction. How do you suppose some v8's launch so hard? They have **** loads of torque and u dont see them spinnning like ****** and complain they have too much torque that they cant hook</TD></TR></TABLE>

the reason why i said that is because MOST V8s have a power glide automatic tranny. even craig paisley in his supra used a GM powerglide auto tranny than the original 6spd. with a auto, you dont have to worry as much about spinning, but for a honda, auto is not a choice.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtpktz. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Boosting a properly built N/A motor is not a good idea due to the high compression.

When it comes to boost - Lower Compression &gt; High Compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>

if i was going the turbo route, of course, its going to be at a lower compression. i havent seen or heard of any high compression b16s or b18s before.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HolyHondaEmII &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd say keep the b16 head and find a gsr block ;D and/or get yourself a h22A and keep it N/A and you'll be raping kids left and right. If its gonna be a daily driven car remember...if u go boost your gas mileage is gonna be practically gonna be non existant...imagine havin to spool just to drive 1/10 of a mile to another stop light =X Up to you dude.</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for the info....

hows the gas mileage for a h22a if i go all motor?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by HolyHondaEmII &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I'd say keep the b16 head and find a gsr block ;D and/or get yourself a h22A and keep it N/A and you'll be raping kids left and right. If its gonna be a daily driven car remember...if u go boost your gas mileage is gonna be practically gonna be non existant...imagine havin to spool just to drive 1/10 of a mile to another stop light =X Up to you dude.</TD></TR></TABLE>accually my old turbo setup still got 20 something miles per gallon and made 305 whp, good tunning!!!

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mtpktz. &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Boosting a properly built N/A motor is not a good idea due to the high compression.

When it comes to boost - Lower Compression &gt; High Compression.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I agree with the first part 100%

I just think that instead of saying for boost "lower compression is better", people should more STRESS the importance of proper fuel and tuning on a higher CR engine.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 818wHtEG6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">accually my old turbo setup still got 20 something miles per gallon and made 305 whp, good tunning!!!</TD></TR></TABLE>

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!! 20 mpg! with 305hp! dang! that's pretty impressive.

 

its not uncommon for people to have massive gas milage and 400whp.

Any stock b-series motor, i mean STOCK, can handle anything under 400.

Any B series motor on pump gas will get EXCELLENT gas milage.

H22 are harder to swap in, will suffer gas milage everywhere(being a bigger motor), not by much however.

Any H series motor, along w/ the F sereis motors, will make upto 300 maybe more, STOCK.

Any honda engine will make pwer.Its whats accesable, rebuildable, and costly that matters.