After dealing with everything that could go wrong and i assure you it did, compressor broke, vavle dropped, timing belt difficulties etc.......
they are but with the stock belt for now pe belt will be installed asap
well with a skunk2 ecu and no vafc it still pulls pretty strong vtec is way early i can tell and it seems to run rich. idle is kinda ruff i had to turn it up a bit but the cam lope is cool and intimidating
vtec crossover is very smooth its like a continous pull.
i have the gears set at +3.5 intake, and -1 exhaust
but hondata is on the way so hopefully i will have a better results

cliffnotes: after a pain in the *** the todas are in untuned but seem way more powerful than itr cams

lata
chris

 

how do those idle? did you also install the toda valvetrain? what pistons do you have?

 

What engine did you put them in? Did you mill the head or up the compression in any way? Also how much clearence did you have?

 

well the idle isnt as bas as everyone says
on a cold morning yes they are a bitch but once warm it is lumpy but doesnt cut off. kinda hard to stat when cold like i said you have to play with the pedal a little to get her going but after that she is fine. i just opened the plate screw a bit to raise the idle some thats all. i am hoping hondata will fix that. i am using the portflow valvetrain. and damn is it loud but i love it. the skunk2 ecu makes the idle ruff well damn it was ruff in the cold with the itr cams. but its all in what you can tolerate.

i have stock b18c pistons(jspec motor) yeilds like 10.6 i believe and the clearences were alot tighter that stock if you are talking about valve to piston but is fine. i have the intake advanced 3 degrees and the exhaust retarded 1 degree and runs strong. i had to loosen the valve lash quite a bit to install the cams but the adjusted them all to .008in or .203 mm
i had no contact when turning the motor over by hand i might advance the intake a bit more to see what that yields. ctr pistons are comin soon so i will see where that takes me. but other than that compression is still stock.

all in all i love them and am kicking myself in the *** for not buying them sooner.
and to think they are on a skunk2 ecu with a 5500 crossover and a 9200 revlimiter.
cant wait to tune on handata.

gas mileage isnt too great but what do you expect.

please ask more

ps: mean *** idle out of the magnaflow domestic dudes freak out
hehe sounds kinda like a heartbeat


[Modified by Chugger, 12:36 AM 12/20/2002]

 

I am not sure if you know this or not, but just to be safe:VTEC cam profiles are not engaged when you turn it over by hand. There may be no piston to valve contact when you turn the engine over by hand, but when VTEC engages with the engine running, it is a whole different story. Don't go too radical with cam timing. Good luck with the Toda B's

 

Sounds pretty good, I have the B's installed in a B18c5 with a Mugen Headgasket and Im just trying to figure out how far to go with the timing one way or the other. Do you guys know if its hard to check the Valve to Piston clearences with the motor in and fullly assembled?

 

As far as I know, the only definitive way to check piston to valve clearances is to clay the motor. The head has to come off for this procedure.

 

i was wondering that how do you check for clearences for the vtec lobes i was thinkin but i couldnt figure it out.

 

Before setting the head into place, you must dissassemble the rocker arm assembly for the cylinder that you are going to test on (#1 cylinder) and switch the VTEC (rocker arm) pistons in the rocker arms so that it locks the VTEC rocker in place. You don't need to dissemble the entire head, just slide the rocker shaft out far enough so you can remove and install the rockers on the #1 cylinder.

Taken from: http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/claymotor/clay.php


[Modified by The Wreath, 1:47 PM 12/20/2002]

 

I have clayed my motor a couple of times. Pull the rocker shafts out part way, just enough so that you can pull one set of rocker arms from the exhaust side and one set from the intake side. Pull out the lock pin from the rocker arm away from the spring side. Put a spacer behind the pin , (a check ball or a small nut worked for me) put the lock pin back in and reassemble the rocker arms. All of the rocker arms should now be locked together and will be driven off of the big VTEC lobes of the cams. You are now ready to install the head and clay the motor.

 

Yea i was just gonna ask the question when you said you turned it over by hand but B19coupe said.. All you gotta do is puller the rocker shafts out a bit on the distributor side so that you can take out the intake and exhaust rockers... Hopefully you have some other VTEC rocker pistons to put in and you'll be set.. Just take out the primary piston which is the small one that does come out... (the secondary piston is spring loaded and stayin will not come out) Now put a VTEC piston into the primary rocker taking place of the primary piston and reassemble the rockers on both the intake and exhaust.... Now you can turn over the motor with the VTEC engaged in the #1 cylinder.... You can either clay it or slowly turn it over and feel for contact... BE VERY careful not to bend a valve.. Good Luck and hope this helps if you decide to do it... Don't forget to take out the extra VTEC rocker or you'll be running VTEC constant in #1 and in 2, 3, and 4 you'll have VTEC as you normally would.... Peace

 

thanks for all the help
waitin to contact leo for some ctr pistons
i want some itr rods are the rod bearings for gsr and itr same
what makes itr rods better than gsr's i cant seem to find any pics
and i want pics damnit
i am just worried about the ctr's and a too high of compression for 93 until i get it tuned
i can retard the timing i guess or run race gas
any input on that
thanks again for all the info

 

You'll be fine... I've seen street gas on motors with compression up to about 13.0-13.5:1.... Tuning at that point is everything... You should be able to run CTR pistons with no problem... In a stock GSR block you'll be around ~12.0:1 so that's even better and makes you tuning band more broad... Once you get your motor built and broken in then slap it on the dyno with some injectors 310's-370's should be fine with Hondata or something and see what kinda power you can make.. Good Luck

 

yes i have injectors dsm 450's but was told they were too big
cant wait till pistons and hondata
im gettin excited