Titanium Valve Springs!!!
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ok, i had a little disagreement with a fellow honda-tech member about TITANIUM VALVE SPRINGS..he said that they dont make them because "titanium is too stiff...would not flex...defeat the purpose of a valve spring".
Then i told him that they did and are really expensive and therefore hardly seen.
Then he repeated his statement along with "if you could find a site that says that they do then ok but til then blah blah blah..."
well, never did search for that reason (to prove him wrong) but i just searched recently for other reasons and found this:
"Beta or near-beta alloys are readily heat treatable, generally weldable, capable of high strengths and good creep resistance to intermediate temperatures. Excellent formability can be expected of the beta alloys in the solution treated condition. Beta-type alloys have good combinations of properties in sheet, heavy sections, fasteners and spring applications. "
...taken from http://www.titanium.org/GIsec2b.htm
After reading this i remembered our little disagreement but was unsuccessful in finding that thread in which WE participated in..nor was i able to remember his name...so thats why i decided to post this thread..in hope that he see's it.
Summarized: Fact: Titanium is good for spring application; thus, being able to used as a valvespring.
-10k
ok, i had a little disagreement with a fellow honda-tech member about TITANIUM VALVE SPRINGS..he said that they dont make them because "titanium is too stiff...would not flex...defeat the purpose of a valve spring".
Then i told him that they did and are really expensive and therefore hardly seen.
Then he repeated his statement along with "if you could find a site that says that they do then ok but til then blah blah blah..."
well, never did search for that reason (to prove him wrong) but i just searched recently for other reasons and found this:
"Beta or near-beta alloys are readily heat treatable, generally weldable, capable of high strengths and good creep resistance to intermediate temperatures. Excellent formability can be expected of the beta alloys in the solution treated condition. Beta-type alloys have good combinations of properties in sheet, heavy sections, fasteners and spring applications. "
...taken from http://www.titanium.org/GIsec2b.htm
After reading this i remembered our little disagreement but was unsuccessful in finding that thread in which WE participated in..nor was i able to remember his name...so thats why i decided to post this thread..in hope that he see's it.
Summarized: Fact: Titanium is good for spring application; thus, being able to used as a valvespring.
-10k
Titanium is a very "spongy" metal. Who makes them for hondas though?
http://www.coilspring.com/dragvalve.html
http://www.coilspring.com/dragvalve.html
I fail to see the point other than "bling bling" factor, heck you cant even see them unless the valve cover was off....
I mean, in top fuel drag racing, where hundredths of a second determine winners and losers, I can understand. But in a honda? c'mon..... There would be so minimal of a difference in performance or durability it would hardly be worth the money
I mean, in top fuel drag racing, where hundredths of a second determine winners and losers, I can understand. But in a honda? c'mon..... There would be so minimal of a difference in performance or durability it would hardly be worth the money
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ok, duh, titanium weighs less than steel, read my edited post. By the way, there are some steel frame mountain bikes that kick the **** outta Ti frame ones. Its not some magical metal that makes everything better. Some people think just because something is Ti, its better than all the rest. I say there would be no point at all putting Ti valve springs on anything less than a top fuel dragster.
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wow..didnt think i was gonna get any reply's on this subject!
..but i agree with you guys..! even if titanium valvesprings could rev to 12k they dont make cams that make power up there so no point. i find Ti valvesrings as usefull as Spoon Sports Titanium Bolts!
..but i agree with you guys..! even if titanium valvesprings could rev to 12k they dont make cams that make power up there so no point. i find Ti valvesrings as usefull as Spoon Sports Titanium Bolts!
check out this towards the bottom...
http://www.theoldone.com/articles/badtothebone/
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Here's a reality check for you. At the left is our newest spring for the B series engines. It's stable to 12,000 rpm. It specs out at 70psi on the seat with 222 nose pressure at .550" lift. Price is $400.00 per set. At the right is a Pro Stock spring that's used by all the top running teams. It's made of titanium. it costs $400.00 (per spring) and it's capable of controlling valve motion at 12,000 rpm. It's a throw away item after 8 runs. Pressure......you could put one of these atop your car's shock absorbers and chunk the springs. If import racing survives, you'll be seeing this sort of thing in the future, as racing becomes more lucrative and competitive.
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http://www.theoldone.com/articles/badtothebone/
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Here's a reality check for you. At the left is our newest spring for the B series engines. It's stable to 12,000 rpm. It specs out at 70psi on the seat with 222 nose pressure at .550" lift. Price is $400.00 per set. At the right is a Pro Stock spring that's used by all the top running teams. It's made of titanium. it costs $400.00 (per spring) and it's capable of controlling valve motion at 12,000 rpm. It's a throw away item after 8 runs. Pressure......you could put one of these atop your car's shock absorbers and chunk the springs. If import racing survives, you'll be seeing this sort of thing in the future, as racing becomes more lucrative and competitive.
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