Theory questions, searching for information.
In consideration of the proper planning before abuild, a few things need to be found out that frankly i'm just a little behind on. What I need to know are some things about the following.
1.)bore/stroke ratio in regards to oversquare builds.
-i know it moves the power range higher in the rev band. current F1 engines are 2:1 but then they make power at 18k. the ilmore merceded engine run by penske in ...i think...92...was 1.74:1 and made 1000hp but only at 10k. at what point are there diminished returns on going oversquare. and is 2:1 (like an F1 engine) still viable on 10-12k rpm or is this only usable in that rev range on a blown motor? this brings me to question #2.
2.)rod/stroke ratio in regards to the resultant dwell times of the piston and its effect on fill/empty of the chamber. the resulting oversquare combo above would have a r/s ratio of 2 or greater! this would create significant dwell times and greatly reduce the side loads on the cylinder wall. with a 2:1 b/s ratio mentioned above, and the current honda bores, this would make a rod/stroke ratio of 3:1. results would be huge dwell times and little sideloads. at what point is the r/s ratio overkill and any benefits not gained? also, these dwell times on a short stroke engine: how are they effected by this short stroke and the possibly low piston speeds (near 60fps or perhaps less). is breathability compromised by the low piston speed and high dwell times?
just as something to chew on. Bob Norwood did this with a little MR2 toyota engine and was pulling 400hp out of a blown super short stroke motor...so this CAN be done. this engine most likely was near a 2:1 bore/stroke ratio....im just wondering how oversquare can you go and still have good results and not see a "dimishing return" on your efforts?
any science on this is absolutely appreciated.
im going through the practical study of this concept at the moment. might result in the birth of an insane project. the project will NOT be streetable. theres other devious plans for it. thank you for your time.
1.)bore/stroke ratio in regards to oversquare builds.
-i know it moves the power range higher in the rev band. current F1 engines are 2:1 but then they make power at 18k. the ilmore merceded engine run by penske in ...i think...92...was 1.74:1 and made 1000hp but only at 10k. at what point are there diminished returns on going oversquare. and is 2:1 (like an F1 engine) still viable on 10-12k rpm or is this only usable in that rev range on a blown motor? this brings me to question #2.
2.)rod/stroke ratio in regards to the resultant dwell times of the piston and its effect on fill/empty of the chamber. the resulting oversquare combo above would have a r/s ratio of 2 or greater! this would create significant dwell times and greatly reduce the side loads on the cylinder wall. with a 2:1 b/s ratio mentioned above, and the current honda bores, this would make a rod/stroke ratio of 3:1. results would be huge dwell times and little sideloads. at what point is the r/s ratio overkill and any benefits not gained? also, these dwell times on a short stroke engine: how are they effected by this short stroke and the possibly low piston speeds (near 60fps or perhaps less). is breathability compromised by the low piston speed and high dwell times?
just as something to chew on. Bob Norwood did this with a little MR2 toyota engine and was pulling 400hp out of a blown super short stroke motor...so this CAN be done. this engine most likely was near a 2:1 bore/stroke ratio....im just wondering how oversquare can you go and still have good results and not see a "dimishing return" on your efforts?
any science on this is absolutely appreciated.
im going through the practical study of this concept at the moment. might result in the birth of an insane project. the project will NOT be streetable. theres other devious plans for it. thank you for your time.
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