Stutter & Stumble while driving
This is a problem that has been plaguing my car for roughly a year now, and at this point, it is not going away.
It started last summer, and as the weather became colder, the problem went away. I drove the car from Sept-yesterday with no issues whatsoever. During that time, I did NOTHING to the car. Yesterday I went to start the car, and it started acting up all over again with no warning.
Symptoms:
- While driving, the car "stutters". You can feel it "hiccup" as it drives.
- Give it gas, the issue stays the same.
- It is now currently backfiring if it idles
- It does this regardless of engine temp and speed.
- On occasion, it smooths out perfect. Drives perfect, powerband is beautiful...then it goes back to hell.
After I pulled it back in yesterday, I got to messing around with it.
I pulled the #1 plug wire and idle did not change. I put the spark plug wire to ground and there was spark. I put the spark plug wire back in, and nothing changed. I pulled the fuel injector wire, no change.
I unplugged the #2 fuel injector and the car stumbled. I took the fuel injector wire from #1 and put it in #2 and it brought it back to life.
I "think" I narrowed it down to a bad injector.
The car currently has 290CC Prelude injectors, and I did not have a spare, so I put a GSR (I think) in it's place. It continues to do it, but not as bad.
Things I've checked:
- Mechanical timing. Spot on. This has not been tampered with at any time.
- Compression test. 260 PSI across the board.
- Spark plugs. All are gapped the same and they all look the same.
- Plug wires (swapped them out with a known good set, same result)
- Distributor (I have a spare OEM one, same result)
- Removed the valve cover and everything looks perfect. All bolts are tight and no broken bits floating about. (This car never see's anything higher than 7K RPM).
- Dropped the exhaust and it's clear as can be.
- Fuel pressure is as it should be.
- ECU has been swapped with a known working unit.
So for now the car runs, vtec engages, no CELs.
Occasionally it runs like a dream, but then whatever it is "happens" and it goes back to ****.
What I'm hoping:
1. The bad H22 injector was old and getting stuck and the GSR one is too small and still allowing it to act wonky. I have no other local H22 injectors to swap as all my neighborly car guys are V8 guys who scoff at my 4 cylinder. My local Honda friends do not have the H22 injector I need.
2. Gas station is switching over to it's summer blend and I have a tank full of ****.
Any and all input is appreciated.
It started last summer, and as the weather became colder, the problem went away. I drove the car from Sept-yesterday with no issues whatsoever. During that time, I did NOTHING to the car. Yesterday I went to start the car, and it started acting up all over again with no warning.
Symptoms:
- While driving, the car "stutters". You can feel it "hiccup" as it drives.
- Give it gas, the issue stays the same.
- It is now currently backfiring if it idles
- It does this regardless of engine temp and speed.
- On occasion, it smooths out perfect. Drives perfect, powerband is beautiful...then it goes back to hell.
After I pulled it back in yesterday, I got to messing around with it.
I pulled the #1 plug wire and idle did not change. I put the spark plug wire to ground and there was spark. I put the spark plug wire back in, and nothing changed. I pulled the fuel injector wire, no change.
I unplugged the #2 fuel injector and the car stumbled. I took the fuel injector wire from #1 and put it in #2 and it brought it back to life.
I "think" I narrowed it down to a bad injector.
The car currently has 290CC Prelude injectors, and I did not have a spare, so I put a GSR (I think) in it's place. It continues to do it, but not as bad.
Things I've checked:
- Mechanical timing. Spot on. This has not been tampered with at any time.
- Compression test. 260 PSI across the board.
- Spark plugs. All are gapped the same and they all look the same.
- Plug wires (swapped them out with a known good set, same result)
- Distributor (I have a spare OEM one, same result)
- Removed the valve cover and everything looks perfect. All bolts are tight and no broken bits floating about. (This car never see's anything higher than 7K RPM).
- Dropped the exhaust and it's clear as can be.
- Fuel pressure is as it should be.
- ECU has been swapped with a known working unit.
So for now the car runs, vtec engages, no CELs.
Occasionally it runs like a dream, but then whatever it is "happens" and it goes back to ****.
What I'm hoping:
1. The bad H22 injector was old and getting stuck and the GSR one is too small and still allowing it to act wonky. I have no other local H22 injectors to swap as all my neighborly car guys are V8 guys who scoff at my 4 cylinder. My local Honda friends do not have the H22 injector I need.
2. Gas station is switching over to it's summer blend and I have a tank full of ****.
Any and all input is appreciated.
Last edited by VegaS10; Feb 11, 2013 at 04:14 PM.
I replaced the questionable injector with a "mystery"injector. I believe it to be maybe an old GSR unit? I'm not sure. It runs a little bit better, but it's not the solution.
I bought a noid light test kit, and all the injector leads from the ecu are pulsing correctly.
I did notice that it idles much better and only REALLY stumbles on acceleration. This leads me to believe that when I "get on it", the mystery injector is not enough for the load.
On a borrowed scan tool, my TPS is reading and functioning correctly.
A local is donating a set of Bosch 330s for me to drop in on friday/Saturday.
I'll update once those are in and running.
I bought a noid light test kit, and all the injector leads from the ecu are pulsing correctly.
I did notice that it idles much better and only REALLY stumbles on acceleration. This leads me to believe that when I "get on it", the mystery injector is not enough for the load.
On a borrowed scan tool, my TPS is reading and functioning correctly.
A local is donating a set of Bosch 330s for me to drop in on friday/Saturday.
I'll update once those are in and running.
a dying tps will function fine most of the time but will have "holes" where it returns a 0v value and causes the ecu to cut fuel which feels like the stutter/stumbling you describe.
anything other than stock injectors will cause an issue without a retune, and if the new injectors are significantly different the car may not even start. you cannot change injectors without recalibrating your tune.
anything other than stock injectors will cause an issue without a retune, and if the new injectors are significantly different the car may not even start. you cannot change injectors without recalibrating your tune.
I put in the 330s and everything APPEARS to be smooth. I only drove it for about 5 minutes or so, and once it came to operating temp, it behaved as normal.
I'm going to flog the **** out of it tomorrow, as the weather will be clear (currently snowing) and it'll be daylight.
I'm going to flog the **** out of it tomorrow, as the weather will be clear (currently snowing) and it'll be daylight.
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My distributor would act up on hot days causing a miss. It usually got worst the hotter it was. I replaced and it solved my problem. Might want to borrow a dizzy if the injectors didn't solve you problem.
You should check the resistance of the injectors. The bad one will not have the same resistance as the rest. I have also had problems with a bad connector, where the wires did not make a reliable connection inside the plastic connector housing!
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