This is an experiment!

Hey, I'm trying to help out a friend. A friend of mine has an 89 Lx (4dr) and well it's slow as hell. He want's to make it faster for about $300 bills. I know that there are plenty of all motor things I can do for cheap on my D-series
(Z6 bottom/Y8 head) But I'm not too sure about what will work on his.

This is my question, what motor combo's work in these cars and what do you guys do with your computers (OBD 0 righ?).

This is what I was thinking.
better head? (what's gonna fit)
Y8 intake mani
A6 rods
A1 pistons?

Can I do this to his motor?
Can I get another motor in there (worried about mounts)
I'll post the engine code later.

Thanx for any info.

This has already been posted in the EF forum but I just wanted to see if I could get anymore suggestions.


[Modified by T-sohctec, 5:16 PM 1/2/2003]


[Modified by T-sohctec, 5:27 PM 1/2/2003]

 

do yo mean 3000 bills? i dont think you can make it fast for under 300 bills. try and do as many DIY mods as you can do. i.e. take out like the a/c, p/s, cruise conrol if he has anyof them. then strip the car down.

 

He's not looking for a race car just something that isn't doggedly slow.
Do you know anything about D series motors?
I'm sure that, if all the pieces will work together, he could have an (easy) mid 14 sec slip.
Which, in all honesty is all you B16 guys can hope for even in a F'in hatch!
get a grip.

P.S. I kinda flew off the handle on that one cuz it seemed like your cracking on something you don't know about. If that's not the case, cool. Reply with something more informative than strip the car.

Have a nice day!

 

hmm.. 300 is a tight budget. id look for a D16Z6. Ive found em for 200. im pretty sure itll bolt up to his tranny. if its got p/s, take it off. maybe look for a chipped ecu.... id say if he saved up 400-500 it could reasonably quick. good luck

 

Thanks you kinda tipped onto what I was really wondering which is, can I use other D series engines or are there things that will only work in his EF chassis?

300 bucks will actually go a long way on a D series, which is why I am calling this an experiment.

This is what I think I'm gonna do, If I can use other D series bottom ends (mount)

* Use my old VX bare block. (cept for crank)
-FREE

* Make ghetto *** CAI
-FREE

* Use my Greddy 4-2-1 header
-FREE

* Get A1 pistons on A6 rods W/rings = 11.5:1 C:R
-$150

* Get a Z6 head (I really don't want to bother with Vtec on this one, mainly due to cost, can anyone thell me if there is a decent non-vtec D head?)
-$100

* Hard part! Get a Y8 Intake Manifold
(I know I need to convert his EFI system I'm not sure how much loot it's gonna be but it shouldn't kill the pockets)
-$150 - $200 ?

That should just about do it for like 300-400 bills (yeah I know how this car **** goes, My turbo kit was only supposed to cost 2G's

I think that he would, like I said earlier, hit mid 14's. That would be pretty fun for someone that has never driven a sporty car.

Damn! that turned into one long *** post.



[Modified by T-sohctec, 6:17 PM 1/2/2003]

 

Check the link in my signature.

 

I saw a y8 manifold on ebay last week I was at 75.00 I bid 90.00 it sold for 122.00 just keep looking there around.

 

you could always look into some cams... they can give you some pretty great gains

 

Thanks for the link mang! (this is actually where I got these ideas, but thanks just the same.)

yeah I was thinking cams, someone had suggest crower stage 3's then I saw there profiles & I could'nt imagine much gain?
any thoughts?



[Modified by T-sohctec, 10:09 PM 1/2/2003]

 

if your buget is 300.00 ,you better stay with stock parts and build a good combo eng. What you said earler made sence with your buget restrictions.

 

The one thing that would make the biggest difference is an EX tranny. 250 or less.

 

Yeah the budget is kinda tight, can't really go over $400 which is why I saw most gains coming from a Hybrid D-series motor.

What do you guys think of what I have planned out? If i can get some good deals going I should stay under $400. that should put some decent power to the wheels?

It's an auto so I can't go with an EX. Are there any auto alternatives
(I'm not trying to do a conversion.)


OHH VERY IMPORTANT!!! I haven't gotten a solid answer from anyone, can I throw any D series in there will all the mounts match up? If not can I mix and match motor mounts?

Thanx!

 

IMO single cam zc motor (budget) mill head 65thous. home made intake, hollow cat,
(you said budget screamer right?)lol

 

Sounds like an okay plan......
Suggest a OBDI VTEC ECU gets added to the list. (better fuel maps)

I don't think you will have a 11.5:1 compression ratio with those pistons and that head. If you do get those pistons I suggest looking for a THICK headgasket so that you can still run the car on the street without having to be perfect on the ignition.

300 is not enough. You aren't taking into account the bearings and new head bolts, rod bolts (might need), sensors that might break, no sense getting a Y8 manifold if you don't get a larger throttle body either.

This is a long term project you have set out for yourself with this budget.

If you really need performance now, get a used nitrous kit. Don't run more than a 50 shot.

 

This is exactly what I would be concerned about too. You'll probably end up spending more on new replacement items than you will on the parts that make the power.

 

Well your all probably exactly right. 300 beans isn't enough to do all those things like spade mentioned things like bearings & rod bolts add up.
I do already recognize this as being a long therm "experiment".
A swap probbaly wouldn't happen until MAY, but I figured I may as well Go to school with you guys so I would know exactly where to put these limited funds.

I appreciate all you guys help, input slings & arrows.

Now I ask...
I already know what I think I would do, WHAT WOULD YOU DO?

P.S. I'm just gonna let this thread die off, Next stop is the classified section