katman,

First off, much props to your FF-Squad web site. Those are some sweet rides. My question is this: I see from the engine shots of most of the cars on your site, that you guys are using OEM/JDM factory air boxes and intake arms. I also see that the resonators have been dropped. Are you or any of the others using K&N or some other type of panel filter, or are you just using the stock paper filters. Also, why did you all chose to go that route instead of opting for the ever popular CAI's. Are you doing it because it provides a little more power, or are you doing it for JDM reasons. Thanks in advance for the info, and keep up the great work with the site!

 

if you lived in california you would understand
and of course, cause its tiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite like his anus

 

Well, I'm not Jason, but I can tell you this.

The ever popular CAI's really don't make that much more HP over the factory box with a K&N drop in filter.

It's mostly at the top end where the CAI really comes on stong, but low end sucks badly. That's why I went back to the OEM stuff. Still kinda a cold air intake since it draws air from the fenderwell.

Another reason I went back to OEM is to elude prying eyes. (popo if you get my drift)



HTH.

 

Thanks for the info! What you said went along with what I was thinking. About the resonator, does it make any power difference, other than just noise? Would the stock box, K&N, and a dropped resonator make that much more power than the K&N and the stock box with the resonator left on there? The reason I ask is that I've had both the resonator on and off, and from the seat of my pants it doesn't feel that different. Thanks.

Also, could anyone tell me the differences between the USDM airboxes and the JDM ones? If there is a difference, does anybody know where to find a JDM 5th gen (CD chasis) Accord box. Thanks.


[Modified by accord55, 7:24 PM 12/28/2001]

 

I agree! Even though I have and aftermarket intake, honda's usally don't perform well at low RPM's. But then agian, isn't high RPM's where it really counts.


[Modified by B21A, 8:48 PM 12/28/2001]

 

Katman does this because the FF squad wants the JDM look. In Japan they don't use cold air intakes like AEM, Injen,... becuase it's against racing regulations to have an open air filter.

A cold air intake will always make more power compared to a stock box through out the entire power band.

 

is katman coming on this board?

 

yo...err stock airbox...
can't go wrong with OEM parts. Some of us use aftermarket air intakes while some of us just stick with oem parts. That's all it really is. And yes the S.CA popo factor is another reason.

I guess you can say its ' J D M' .....but that's all up to user preference.

As far as the EG stock air boxes go there IS a difference between the US and JDM stock EG airboxes top half.
check it..

US EG airbox topside (square/sharp edges on the inlet):




JDM EG airbox topside (smooth rounded edges on the inlet = better air flow):




..but don't let this make you into a jdm *****. This small differnce isn't going to make a big increase in HP on your engine at all.

As far as other airboxes go, I haven't checked for differences -- espescially with Prelude/accord parts - rarely come across JDM accord airboxes.


[Modified by Katman, 12:32 PM 12/29/2001]

 

Thanks for the replies and the info. I was basically just asking about the stock box to confirm whether or not I want to keep my K&N drop in/stock box setup or not. I have heard so many different things about what is better. I know for a fact that my current setup works way better than the Weapon R underhood intake I used to have, but I have never had a CAI, and I didn't want to waste money on something that wasn't surefire better. So, based on the replies, I think I'll keep the stock box, since there is not much power difference between the two- Not that I'm relying solely on an intake setup for my power, but every little bit extra does help

Don't worry- there's not any danger I'll ever be a JDM *****....most of that stuff is too expensive for my tastes, but I figure if a JDM part is more effecient than a USDM, or vice-versa, than that's what I'll go with.

By the way- what kind of air filters are you guys using- K&N style cotton gauze, foam, or paper? Thanks again for the info.


[Modified by accord55, 8:34 PM 12/29/2001]

 

^--- check the pics I reposted...i forgot them the first time 'round.

When I had my stock airbox, i used a K+N drop in filter. Worked fine .. i guess.

Right now, I'm using an ICEMAN intake arm with a baby-flow HKS filter on the end, with a homemade ram-air setup. I'm using this because the ICEMAN made power last time I dynoed with my old car (long gone now, thanks to thieves and quite possibly the internet). It has an internal tapered design, let alone being super smooth on the inside for less air turbulance. The ICEMAN arm makes its best power when there's no filter on it though and its setup to suck air directly from the passengerside headlight area.

err..as far as the others.... all of the FF integra owners are using stock air filter elements. Ryan is using a HKS drop in filter which is almost foamy like, it came on a front clip.


[Modified by Katman, 12:40 PM 12/29/2001]

 

Cool pics...... makes me wish I still had my EG. I wonder if you could do that yourself, very carefully of course, with some sort of sander or special sanding drill bit? Thanks for the filter info. One more, maybe dumb, question. On the stock setup, what about the resonator? I have tried it with the resonator and without, and as far as the seat of my pants goes, I can't feel a difference. I have never dynoed the two in order to compare either. Does it matter at all whether you remove it or keep it?


[Modified by accord55, 8:52 PM 12/29/2001]

 

hah..the resonator only quiets down the intake sounds somewhat..
I dont think it has any performance gains or losses.

 

hey katman
is your im working

 

The stock box on some hondas really isnt too bad. On the G2 integra, with the resonator removed the bok will draw in cool ait from the same area as the AEM.

 

Thanks

 

what kind of car are you rolling now katman??

 

"Yeah, and will it be located the same place your last one was? Oh, and what does it come with?"

Umm....yeah I think Kat wants to start in again with the worshipping and then theft of his vehicle.


And to the airbox ****** like myself. A del Sol VTEC intake arm and airbox is bigger than the regular 5g civic stuff. Plus it wasn't made my Filtech. That's very NON-JDM, when your airbox has Filtech splattered on top. The del Sol VTEC one had some Japanese company on it, a sort of half-step away from an actual (even thicker) jdm airbox and arm. I used an HKS foam drop-in filter, which is much more attractive than a K&N drop-in. I cut out the bottom of the airbox, but left enough of the lower piece to secure the filter to the upper piece. So it's all empty on bottom, but looks completely stock on top (and you'd be surprised how little people notice an EG2 box in an EF). Don't forget, the key ingredient here is the jdm foam drop-in. Monster filter, HKS filter, whatever.

 

So you would swear by foam instead of the K&N? You wouldn't by any chance have any dyno's to see which drop in is better, do you? Thanks.

 

Back from my motorcycle days, everything was strictly foam.

 

Haha, then the company Weapon R came out, they thought a foam filter was a good idea too. Damnit, I want Weapon R to go out of business! They suck. Well, except there floor mats, their okay!