Hi there - a guy is selling to me on a pretty good price a ZC stamped engine but I cannot understand what obd versions it is using ... etc...

I got only a picture the car is 350 km away from here so must decide to buy it or not...

her is a picture , it is a brown top but i guess htere are modifications done on the engine , please help...



here is a second image i found in the WWW the engine looks the same but as you can see there are differences in the down-left corner...



Please help me with the engine on the first image . I cannot finda any clear info about those engine , I am searching for 4th hour now...
If you know any info about the tranny let me know too , the engine is swapped into 4th gen civic hatch now...and this is the car I can buy but I am still wondering...

My D16Z2 is fckd up and need to change it...

 

some specs might be here http://www.angelfire.com/bc2/1991ZCcivic/1991.html

 

the difference on the second pic is that that one has the seperate vaccum advance timing i beleive.

 

UP UP UP - I got 3 day...

I am wondering about the big HONDA label on the top of it - I guess it is 1 gen ZC but it is bolted on 4th gen civic.

Can someone tell a guess about the year of the ZC ( the big honda label on the top I think is for 1st gen ZC )

And - yes it is DZ it is not d16....DOHC, the stamp is ZC

 

so -> when the second has vacuum advance timing ( pre OBD )

Does it mean that the first engine(the one I am buying) is supposed to be with electronic advance timing OBD0 ?

Infact I think that there is possibilty the engine to be 1st gen ZC with vacuum advance timing , converted to electronic advance timing , but as far as I know the distributors are not interchangeable so I am starting to wonder again ...

Are there any browntop ZCs with electronic advance timing?


Modified by basitun at 5:24 AM 12/15/2007

 

i never saw one with vac advance timng. that thing on the other cam next to dist is one of the sensors. i forget which one . cam position sensor i think. its not built into the distributor like the SI and stuff has it. its seperate. u can plug it and run a si dist instead and just re wire the 2 wires for it. only 1 Zc is stamped ZC on the block im pretty sure. the rest are d16a9 or d16's from earlier integras. what does the one u are getting say exactly on the block? and what yr is it going in?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 97grnrs &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i never saw one with vac advance timng. that thing on the other cam next to dist is one of the sensors. i forget which one . cam position sensor i think. its not built into the distributor like the SI and stuff has it. its seperate. u can plug it and run a si dist instead and just re wire the 2 wires for it. only 1 Zc is stamped ZC on the block im pretty sure. the rest are d16a9 or d16's from earlier integras. what does the one u are getting say exactly on the block? and what yr is it going in? </TD></TR></TABLE>

Infact the second engine on the little picture is with a vacuum advance timing . Look at the the distributor, there is a thing the is for the V.A.Timing...
Infact the engine is ZC(the stamp).
My research shows that the dizzy from later versions can bolt to the 1st gen brown ZC but only with one bolt instead of 3.Maybe the dizzy on the first engine(the one I can buy) is from SOHC ZC/D16A6(89/91) or something like this...
I got a tomic in http://www.thezcr.com and there we decided that the engine is the same like the second one but with some modifications , I still do not know what ecu it is using...

The engine is putted on 4th gen civic hatch now and maybe I will put it in my 4th gen civc sedan 4wd.I know it will not bolt right in but will make it fit with some more work...

The question is should I buy the engine(as I know the ZCs are the best DOHC non vtec 1.6 engines) or just to go and buy D16A8, D16A9, D16Z5 .

 

the one that says ZC on the block will bolt direcctly into a 88-91 body with no mods needed. ive had one. the ones that say d16a9 or the like , will not bolt directly in. the drivers mount is different. its on the head instead of how ours is. ive had both and the regular zc is the way to go for easy reasons. an SI distributor will bolt on to the ZC , it just requires use of a washer to get the 3rd leg to hold down. then u can eliminate the cam sensor. or just use the regular zc dist which doesnt have vac advance timing and the cam sensor on the side. either way it will work
ps. the d16a9 motors are no better than an SI motor .. not worth the trouble to fit one in for a gain of like 3HP. i think they are only 109hp compared to 106 on the si . the ZC is the only one that has a better hp rating.

 

Isnt d16a9 rated at 130hp or I am wrong....?

You mean that ZC is the better choice - right ?


Modified by basitun at 6:52 AM 12/17/2007

 

i think ur wrong there buddy and i have had a zc swap in my ej1 for a while and its runnin strong also have a vtec head and si tranny so yea its coo

 

sorry i was thinkin of the d16a1 D16A1
Found in:

1986-89 Acura Integra (USA)
Displacement : 1590 cm³
Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 90 mm
1986-1987 Compression : 9.3:1 1988-1989 Compression : 9.5: 1
1986-1987 Power : 113 hp (84 kW) @ 6250rpm Torque : 99 ft·lbf @ 5500rpm
1988-1989 Power : 118 hp (88 kW) @ 6250rpm Torque: 103 ft·lbf @ 5500rpm
Valvetrain : DOHC non-VTEC
Piston Code 1986-87 : PG6
Piston Code 1988-89 : P29 (PM7 is ZC equivalent/same piston)
Fuel Control : OBD-0 MPFI

D16A9
(Same as D16A8 but without a catalytic converter)

Found in:
1988-1991 Civic/Concerto (UK/Europe)
1988-1991 CRX (UK/Europe/South Africa)
1989-1996 Rover 216/416 GTi (UK/Europe)
1992-1995 Civic Si (Peruvian version)
Displacement : 1590 cm³
Bore and Stroke : 75 mm X 90 mm
Compression : 9.5:1
Power : 130 hp (97 kW) @ 6800 rpm & 108 ft·lbf @ 5900 rpm
Valvetrain : DOHC
Fuel Control : OBD-0 MPFI
ECU Code: PM7
GearBox : L3 Cable type

ZC (similar to D15Z4, D16Z6, D16A1, D16A3, D16A6, D16A8 and D16A9 engines)
A few D-series variants are labelled "ZC" (usually JDM), but they are not truly a different series.

There are both SOHC and DOHC ZC engines.

The non-VTEC SOHC ZC is similar to the D15Z4 and D16A6 engine, but with more aggressive cam timing.

The VTEC SOHC ZC is identical to the D16Z6, and the DOHC ZC is similar to the D16A1, D16A3, D16A8 and D16A9 engines.

Euro Mk1 (85-87) 1.6 CRX's are fitted with an engine designated "ZC1" which is a higher spec 120 bhp version of the D16a1.


borrowed from another site

 

So it i spossible that engine to be an euro ZC1 rated at 120bhp... if that is true and the engine is really a ZC! I guess that I will buy D16A9 ...

So many info baout those angines ... I am starting to forget