hey guys, im selling my polished aem cai for one in red... but then i got to thinking, should i go with short ram instead? i know cold air provides a cooler charge of air = more hp, but i wonder if its better to go with short ram due to ease of cleaning the filter, and not having to buy another air bypass valve... what would you do?

 

get a cold air box

 

short ram, and build a heat shield.

 

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i second that one.

 

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Yeah.

 

i have both and switch off when it's rainy, and i swear the short ram feels quicker. JMO

 

cold air box in my opinon is the best, on my car (teggy) since i dont have abs i have the intake routed through that whole and have the filter inside the fender

 

Hey bro, We have both on our D16Y8 and I feel that as long as you have a front air dam that lets a considerable amount of air into the engine bay the short ram is better. The CAI was fine but somehow it muffles the sound of my wifes V-TEC. Also The short ram intake has a nasty top end pull. She also has a **** load of other bolt ons to compliment this. But if it was up to me again I would invest in a front air dam and just stick with a quality (K&N, AEM,Akimoto, Injen, etc.) ram air intake. Its all about cold air. so getting the cold air into you engine bay and allowing you engine as a whole cool better is the key. Not just cold air in the intake manifold. Hope this helps. Try running a 1/4 mile with your hood on and then try it with the hood off. The results will astound you..

 

When we ran at rhe track in Fontana my wife cut 1/2 second off her time with the hood off. Cold air in the intake GOOD. Cold air all over the engine BETTER!

 

To add to spydermanGS-Ts reply, I am the wife and yes there was a big difference in taking the lower tubing off of my AEM CAI with the K&N filter and making it a short ram intake for the purpose of the rain. I found so much more power with this set up, that I have left it like this since. Also I started with the K&N Typhoon ram intake which didn't impress me too much. Then a friend of ours gave me a AEM CAI which the tubing is a lot smaller in diameter compared to the K&N. In short I think that the smaller diameter tubing is what made the difference. By the way the air dam that i have is the R-33 skyline body kit, so it has a large opening in front to let a significant amount of air in the engine bay.

 

granted, if its a stock hood on ur car, your also taking off like 40-50 pounds of weight, if i'm not mistaken, but if its a CF hood, then it wont really make a difference. not saying a hood will take off 1/2 second, but i'm sure it didn't hurt.

edit: i have an AEM short ram intake.

 

I have a iceman cai... that you can switch to short ram...

I used to switch it ALL the time when it rained etc.. but there is NO point... frankly there's no point to the bypass valve unless you plan on dropping your car over 3" and driving through 12" PLUS puddles (YES BOTH)... or plan on driving through 15" puddles on stock height (frankly probobly higher than that).

The ONLY way to hydrolock your car is to completely submerge the intake... Not the filter the bottom edge (all the way around) of the intake tube.

I haven't changed mine and HAVE driven through 12" PLUS puddles with NO problems... the water has to VERY deep to suck up enough water and even then you have to be ON the gas... kinda hard... the change in pressure at idle or low rpms will stall the car before it can suck up any water into the engine...

Oh and the difference on my car between shortram and cai is NIGHT and DAY... the cai is WAY WAY better... only downside is the obnoxious noise... (it's MUCH louder with the cai on.)...

Oh and as long as your inner fender lining is on the filter will stay CLEANER on a cai then under the hood.

 

Why the **** did you steal my avatar? You're a ******* *** go make your own!

And don't tell me you didn't steal it b/c i know you did. That's a custom picture and i set the pixel and aspect ratio myself so i know you stole mine. please stop using it, get your own **** you ******* poser!

Oh, and:

CAI is better. Colder air is better than hot (duh)

You ******* piece of ****.

 

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And don't tell me you didn't steal it b/c i know you did. That's a custom picture and i set the pixel and aspect ratio myself so i know you stole mine. please stop using it, get your own **** you ******* poser!

Oh, and:

CAI is better. Colder air is better than hot (duh)

You ******* piece of ****.
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Well... since you asked so nicely, NO. Waa Waa... go cry me a river.

Oh, and way to be a smart ***, everyone knows that cold air is better than hot. I started this to poll if the *few* hp you gain from cold air is worth purchasing a abv and having harder access to the filter, dick.

 

most short rams delivers good throttle response and low end power and most cold air gives peak power and etc, so its up to you with what you want.

 

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Its the opposite...

I can't count the times I have had to restate this.

Air temperature is pretty much irrelevent past 1st gear. Once you get up to 30mph, the temperature difference is only 1-2 degree's different.

The cold air intake has much longer tubing, which causes the intake velocity to increase. The increased intake velocity causes volumetric effeciency to occur earlier. If you are to look at almost any honda with a CAI, you will notice a huge hump of power between 4-5k rpm, dubbed the AEM hump. This is because the volumetric effeciency occurs earlier.

A short ram, which generally sacrifices air velocity for air quanitity, causes volumetric effeciency to occur later. Which is why most builtup NA honda engines run large short ram intakes. They need to take advantage of the larger air and its effect on volumetric effeciency.

 

you kids and your aem's

wait till you run through a big *** puddle

 

you will get better throttle response from the short ram...what are you plan on doing with your car, drag race or road rtace?

 

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more like a temporary lake...

If you had ANY ability to read the posts below the initial question you'd see that I explain VERY clearly how the whole hydrolocking fear is TOTALLY based in urban legend... it takes a LOT to make it happen...

I've driven through puddles over 15" deep and NEVER had so much as a stutter out of my car...

 

Short ram DOES NOT have better throttle response... (not on mine) the cai does... <TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AK1200 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you will get better throttle response from the short ram...what are you plan on doing with your car, drag race or road rtace?</TD></TR></TABLE>

JESUS... you 2 huh? why don't people read before they put out mis-information that not only has been stated before in the thread but CORRECTED on top of it.

 

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Its the opposite...

I can't count the times I have had to restate this.

Air temperature is pretty much irrelevent past 1st gear. Once you get up to 30mph, the temperature difference is only 1-2 degree's different.

The cold air intake has much longer tubing, which causes the intake velocity to increase. The increased intake velocity causes volumetric effeciency to occur earlier. If you are to look at almost any honda with a CAI, you will notice a huge hump of power between 4-5k rpm, dubbed the AEM hump. This is because the volumetric effeciency occurs earlier.

A short ram, which generally sacrifices air velocity for air quanitity, causes volumetric effeciency to occur later. Which is why most builtup NA honda engines run large short ram intakes. They need to take advantage of the larger air and its effect on volumetric effeciency.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Not trying to start a fight but where in gods name are you getting that number from?

the outside temps even on a HOT day are WAY WAY under what the underhood temps would be over or under 30mph.

 

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Not trying to start a fight but where in gods name are you getting that number from?

the outside temps even on a HOT day are WAY WAY under what the underhood temps would be over or under 30mph.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tests done by a friend. He placed a tempature sensor inside the air filter on a short ram, and on a CAI.

This was done on a hot day in Northern California.

Once you start moving fresh air enters the engine bay, and by 30mph the short ram air filter is no longer breathing in hot air eminating from the block, but air from the outside of the car.

His test is not the only one I have seen, on several cars, in several states. All of them come to the conclusion that once you start accelerating air tempature is no longer a factor.

It takes an 11 degree difference to gain 1% hp. So pretty much after 1st gear the tempature factor no longer maters.

 

styleteg, i appreciate all your knowledge. i think what im going to do is stick with the cai, but just scratch the bypass valve. ill put the $50 or so towards my headers.

 

by the way ak1200...

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i dont plan on dragging, maybe just once or twice to see where i stand. mainly just a daily driver with a little extra performance on the side

 

i had a cold air and i must say throttle response was much nicer with the cold air and it seemed to help the low end. i switched to a short ram to be on the safe side since we had a very very wet spring. i noticed a loss in both throttle response and low end grunt when i switched to the shorty but it did seem to have a bit more on the top. although i think its just in my mind since i lost some low end.