Why do you guys ask for so many opinions on cam selection and other engine parts? Haven't you ever heard of Desktop Dyno or anything like that? Half the people on here don't even touch their engines but go spreading around what they've heard somebody else doing. If you don't have enough knowledge to pick your own cam or whatever I wouldn't really try to put them in yourselves I know one too many people that modify their engines based off of what they read on the internet. Just last weekend someone I know put in different cams in a Mitsu engine because it'd give him more power but all he knew was what stage it was. Didn't know any of the specs or what not and how it would actually effect his engine.

Seriously if you wanna know if you're new pistons are gonna hit your valves do so freaking math instead of getting estimates of people that failed high school algebra. One great tool to figure out how a modification is going to affect your engine is to buy/download Desktop Dyno 2000 from Mr. Gasket I believe (KaZaa). It has just about any variable you can think of including forced induction, nitrous, cam profiles... everything. Learn before you play w/ fire.

 

I personally have not used that program, but this is why this forum is here. For people to ask questions and get advice.

There's nothing wrong with asking questions from those who have had experience.

 

It's just that half the people that give 'advice' don't have any personal experience on what they're talking about. Seriously, I saw 10 different 'opinions' on what the compression ratio would be in a b18c w/ ctr pistons. How in hell could there be differences. Having gaskets and what not all the same thickness there is only one correct answer. There wasn't even a mention of dome cc's or dynamic compression or any other vital numbers. Just what the static compression would be which has far less to do with if it'll run on pump gas compared to dynamic compression and a variety of other factors. Just one example. Half the posts are guesses from people that have done nothing more to their engine than an exhaust or cai.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elude667 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why do you guys ask for so many opinions on cam selection and other engine parts? Haven't you ever heard of Desktop Dyno or anything like that? Half the people on here don't even touch their engines but go spreading around what they've heard somebody else doing. If you don't have enough knowledge to pick your own cam or whatever I wouldn't really try to put them in yourselves I know one too many people that modify their engines based off of what they read on the internet. Just last weekend someone I know put in different cams in a Mitsu engine because it'd give him more power but all he knew was what stage it was. Didn't know any of the specs or what not and how it would actually effect his engine.

Seriously if you wanna know if you're new pistons are gonna hit your valves do so freaking math instead of getting estimates of people that failed high school algebra. One great tool to figure out how a modification is going to affect your engine is to buy/download Desktop Dyno 2000 from Mr. Gasket I believe (KaZaa). It has just about any variable you can think of including forced induction, nitrous, cam profiles... everything. Learn before you play w/ fire. </TD></TR></TABLE>

if you believe this so much, then why are you even a member? go start ur own desktopdynotech.com and leave the forum open for questions that actually involve a vehicle. if people are on here that means they are at least putting forth the initiative to learn about what to do to their hondas.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elude667 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">It's just that half the people that give 'advice' don't have any personal experience on what they're talking about. Seriously, I saw 10 different 'opinions' on what the compression ratio would be in a b18c w/ ctr pistons. How in hell could there be differences. Having gaskets and what not all the same thickness there is only one correct answer. There wasn't even a mention of dome cc's or dynamic compression or any other vital numbers. Just what the static compression would be which has far less to do with if it'll run on pump gas compared to dynamic compression and a variety of other factors. Just one example. Half the posts are guesses from people that have done nothing more to their engine than an exhaust or cai.</TD></TR></TABLE>

this is true, but this is also an example of y not to believe everything you read about on the net. that is also why these are opinions not facts.

 

But why give people that truly want to learn the half-truths? When people respond to posts they don't show any math or anything to backup what they say will be best for a specific application. Some people just guess and unless people can detect that over the internet people are just hurting others that want to learn.

What I'm saying is people should halfway educate themselves before they go asking for other peoples opinions because they won't be able to differenciate the right and the misleading.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by orange.honda &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

if you believe this so much, then why are you even a member? go start ur own desktopdynotech.com and leave the forum open for questions that actually involve a vehicle. if people are on here that means they are at least putting forth the initiative to learn about what to do to their hondas. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Exactly what I was thinking.

This is a communication forum man. There is no problem with someone asking questions and trying to learn from people who have experience in these areas.

Things I argue about, is people who post up "can I swap a B18C into my Civic" or "how do I install an intake" when they can search around.

Things like "what would be the compression of my motor with CTR pistons in an ITR block.....I have NO problem with, which is EXACTLY what this forum is used for.

Your point isn't very justifiable man. You're pretty much arguing this whole board's existance.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elude667 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But why give people that truly want to learn the half-truths? When people respond to posts they don't show any math or anything to backup what they say will be best for a specific application. Some people just guess and unless people can detect that over the internet people are just hurting others that want to learn.

What I'm saying is people should halfway educate themselves before they go asking for other peoples opinions because they won't be able to differenciate the right and the misleading.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Posting false information is by far dumb, and those who post up false information is in the lines of being banned or deducted points because of how much information goes out, and who knows who's motor and how much money it can screw up.

Yes they should educate themselves when they do things, this is what research is for, and the search button is for on this board. But someone asking questions while trying to research, and such, there is absolutely no problem with someone asking a technical question.

This topic is OT and isn't really necessary to argue.

 

look you just have to know what info is good and what you can't trust. for example being that you have 33 posts i would not believe a word out of your mouth but if Poison here gave me his advise i would most likely believe it. you just need to know how to distinguish good from bad advise. if the dude tells you its 10.5:1 compression and then gives you the math then ok believ it, but if he says 15.3:1 and says he did it in his head dont believe it.

 

Yep, it is common sense.

 

The key is reading all you can about a subject and having the brain to reject information that is wrong/ irrelevant. This forum is just another place to gather information that you can later sort out.

Your argument can be used for books or computer programs or anything....should people not read books and magazines because there might be false information in them? Should we do away with the internet altogether because there's untruths floating around on it? Who's to say that computer programs will give you correct information?

You simply can't ask someone not to read something. That's terrible advice. Read everything....false, true, completely made up, whatever...and get an understanding for it. Then you can distinguish the true from the false. Hopefully if someone tells you that they put a leaf blower on their car and made 200hp, you'll be smart enough to reject that claim.

If someone does read a two-line post and invests thousands into their engine based on it with no understanding of what they are doing, then they are stupid. Nothing you or I can do about that. There's no cure for stupidity. As for the rest of us, read everything you can...hell, read the National Enquirer. If you've got some brains on you then only good can come from it.

 

My only point is this. Half the people on here post what they've heard and not what they've experienced. And I think people should educate themselves somewhat so that when they ask questions they know who is actually posting based upon the truth and those that are just guessing.

From what I've seen there are fewer people that know what they're talking about compared to those that reply based on hear say. And I just can't stand it when people give unreliable info to people that want to learn, and nobody questions the 'facts'.

 

You've said the same thing many times before.

Understandable for your opinion. But again, that's why this is a forum.

If someone has a tech question, and you know what the answer is, help them out.

If you don't know, don't say anything.

'nuff said.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by elude667 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My only point is this. Half the people on here post what they've heard and not what they've experienced. And I think people should educate themselves somewhat so that when they ask questions they know who is actually posting based upon the truth and those that are just guessing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Great point, but like I said the same goes for everything in life...everything. Talking to people on the street, teachers and professors in school, reading books, watching television, every piece of information you need to evaluate on your own before accepting it as truth. There is nothing special about this forum...it is the same as every other means of exchanging information.

 

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When you see someone giving out bogus information, straighten them out.

 

And I agree with you Chiovnidca....however, there comes a 'breaking point' where you get tired of straightening out the half-truths, especially when you cleared things up a day prior. Its like, if the question that is asked isn't covered on page 1, then its time to post it up....nevermind page 2 and the search button.

But there also comes a time when someone wants to help a poster, but its obvious that they are so in the dark, that trying to help them becomes an exercize in patience. I'm not claiming to know a lot about a little (or a little about a lot), but I've done enough READING/RESEARCH to realize when to take something at face value and when to re-evaluate the information (as was posted above).

Sometimes you don't feel like making an attempt to help becuase you may feel the information you dispel isn't really going to be used....people want an answer, but they don't want to understand why/where that answer came from

Now granted, there are people on this board that will continue to post up the same information regardless of how many times the Q has been asked...and poison is one such person that I've noticed, and thats cool. But there comes a time when you realize your trying to help someone who hasn't even helped themselves.

Just my 2 pennies.