Make your own kit. I upgraded the tranny to frame, battery to frame, valve cover to frame, I also added one to the alternator. Two gage wires work pretty good. Make sure there's bare metal. I also used heat shrink tubing and soldered the wire to all connectors. It's overkill, but that's ok. Amp wires is the best for current transfer IMO.

 

holy **** 2 ga. that is some thick wire, i use 4 gauge but it was just left over scraps from my install

 

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Well I just typed out a huge reply and it got erased, so here's a quick comment:

I'm ignorant, eh? Why don't you go look at some of my past threads and comments. Go look at my replies that actually have GOOD information in them, that explain new motors, that give info. Then let's look at your posts, which consist of nothing but bitching and quoting from manufacturer's websites. Who's the ignorant ones here?

First, let's take a look at how grounding kits work. They only provide a path for grounding IF the stock system is poor or corroded (which it rarely does). Ever seen a dyno of a REAL LIFE car, not one on the internet, that made power from a grounding kit? I didn't think so. Ever seen a Honda make power from a grounding kit? You won't. Ever seen a back to back comparison of a Honda on a dyno, showing a before-and-after dyno w/ the grounding? I didn't think so. I have, though. A 4th gen VTEC Prelude only had a gain of about 1 horsepower after installing a ground kit on the dyno locally. That's within the % variation on a dyno..........which means THE GROUNDING KIT MADE NO SIGNIFICANT CHANGE IN HORSEPOWER! The Hondas come w/ a very good grounding system from the factory, as does most manufacturers nowadays. The ONLY car I have ever seen make a significant gain from a grounding kit is a WRX, which made like 10 WHP. Apparently they have grounding problems from the factory.

So you're butt-sore because you got called out after making bogus comments? Quit your bitching and get over it. Find me one site that has as many engine builders, machinists, engineers, tuners, shop-owners, and industry professionals as Honda-Tech does. Here, I'll save ya some time: you won't find one. So take your whining bitch *** out of here and don't come back until you have a better attitude, you learn a little knowledge to back up your comments, and when you learn how to speak English.




Modified by LudeyKrus at 3:52 PM 9/12/2004

 

No **** a grounding kit doesn't add power, if it does its just because your car is fucked up to begin with and it kinda patched it up. If anything it'll make it slower because of the weight. Try being nice to people that don't know any better. I didn't call you an idiot, i called you a ********.

 

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Most of my reply was aimed at KillaB. I DO try to help people when I can, but I get easily irritated at people who come on here and spout off crap that is wrong, and then act like they know everything when they don't. If you have a question, I will try to answer it. If you act like a moron, I will treat you like a moron.

I believe i may have gotten a bit mixed up when typing that last reply, but I still stand on my point: Honda-Tech is full of knowledgable people that are willing to help. Most of us don't flame mindlessly, only when it is needed and deserved. You don't need to be grouping the entire website as full of "homos" just because someone got flamed for acting like a retard.

Regardless, if either of you in the future have a legit question, I will be glad to answer it for you if I know the answer

 

http://www.importtuner.com/tech/0306it_ppprelude/

 

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From the website you posted:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Most of the power differences you see on the graph are so minimal we aren't even sure if the wires made a difference.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

check this thread out: http://www.sr20forum.com/showt...gains
being also a nissan head i also browse the sr20forum from time to time. I WOULDN'T HAVE GOTTEN the grounding wire kit off ebay if i didnt' read that. there is some reall knowledgable people explaining the benefits to getting a grounding kit. read that thread.

 

If you are thinking about getting an after market ground system I would just check the factory grounds. Take them off, sand them down, and replace them. If honda thought the engine and ecu was even close to needing more ground wires they would have added them just to cover their ***.

I can't speak for those who have a big *** stero system however. I guess that may help.

 

wow thanx guys this has really helped me out. If there is anything you want to add please feel free.

 

I had a really good 2 page article on a grounding kit that came from Japan and had like 2 or 3 stages for it with a electronic box. They put the expensive stage 3 on a car and did before and after runs, and amazingly it did increase to about 3whp more or so. I dunno what to say, but do want a cleaner looking ground cable then the oem one I got now.



Modified by TurboTeG4 at 9:11 AM 9/23/2004

 

I have the Pivot Voltage Stabilizer with Ground wire kit (5 of them).

Honestly, I DO feel there is a little different, my car is a 98 Civic Hatch.

Before the wires/voltage kit installed my POS Honda Audio stock unit having a lot of problem listening to FM stations during higher speed (above 80km/h), i have no idea why. But the interference noise just gone after the installation.

Pivot claimed brighter headlight, which i dont think it does, still fooking dim..
engine response increase. well, maybe mental, i feels like there is a little on the first day, none on the day after.
gas mileage. hell i dont know..i fill up the tank whenever i think i will need it.

well.. thats my own thought..
dont want to waste time to dyno the difference..

 

BUMP

 

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check what out?

 

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Do ground kits add power? I guess they could under certain circumstances. But how much is another matter. I would say that you would gain significant power if and only if your stock grounds are in pretty bad shape to begin with. But otherwise, it is not going to do much.

 

i had a home made ground kit on my gsr [basicly stock] it idle was smooth, head lights got a little brighter, music sound crispier, throttle response is a maybe i dont remember

 

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...33574
I just bought one of those looks nice, I just wanted some clean looking wires compared to the old crusty ones.

 

I use splitfire Ground Wire Kit, but I feel no difference.

 

those ebay kits are good [for the price] my homemade kit was with a lot of extra power wire for an amp. they connected so parts of the engine and all met at 1 point and that point goes to the ground on your battery.

 

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"Most of the power differences you see on the graph are so minimal we aren't even sure if the wires made a difference."</TD></TR></TABLE>

For what it's worth, this was also taken from the same article that you quoted above:

<FONT COLOR="darkblue">Pros: This has become a favorite product for Power Page testing since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable compared to other aftermarket products.

Cons: This was the first time we were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires. Our conclusion was the car had very good grounding points to begin with. We probably would have seen more power if we had a few more parts on the car.</FONT>

 

so what points are the wires ground to/from? i have a 96 civic, so grounding points for that would be useful to me.

 

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<FONT COLOR="darkblue">Pros: This has become a favorite product for Power Page testing since it can make a lot of power and is pretty affordable compared to other aftermarket products.

Cons: This was the first time we were unable to produce a lot of power with the wires. Our conclusion was the car had very good grounding points to begin with. We probably would have seen more power if we had a few more parts on the car.</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

I forget which magazine it was, but they had a project S14 240sx with the stock engine. They did a bunch of mods and dyno tested each one. One of the mods was a ground wire kit. DOnt know which one it was as this was awhile ago but it gained something like 5hp 7tq.

 

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Do ground kits add power? I guess they could under certain circumstances. But how much is another matter. I would say that you would gain significant power if and only if your stock grounds are in pretty bad shape to begin with. But otherwise, it is not going to do much.</TD></TR></TABLE>

True. I just did mine because my main negative wire from my battery to the tranny was frayed and corroded beyond belief (I was amazed it worked at all). My battery wasn't charging properly and I was having a really hard time with cold starts. I replaced just the wires off the battery to the starter and grounding points and instantly fixed that problem. I did the rest of the grounds later, and had no significant gains. It did fix an idle problem I was having with my car almost stalling coming to a stop at lights.

I'd recommend this to anyone with a car older than 10 years. You may notice on 4th gen accords (and maybe on others I don't know) the ground from your battery runs right under the radiator hose. If that thing leaks your gonna have corrosion problems. This is really a maintenance issue, not a performance mod. (gets off soapbox )