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Old Apr 17, 2011 | 01:07 AM
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Has anyone every heard of this? I was wondering if it works. The video on the website make it seem great but the real question is, if it actually works. http://lx.im/1bRqE
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Old Apr 18, 2011 | 08:57 AM
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it reeks of "scam/infomercial." if it works like they claim however ([paraphrased] spacing fuel molecules so that they mix with air more completely... like premium fuels out of the pump... because that's what the numbers on the pump mean...) you're still paying them $0.16/gallon (of treated fuel) more. how much more per gallon is the premium grade fuel they claim to replicate?
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Old Apr 18, 2011 | 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by hondamark35
it reeks of "scam/infomercial." if it works like they claim however ([paraphrased] spacing fuel molecules so that they mix with air more completely... like premium fuels out of the pump... because that's what the numbers on the pump mean...) you're still paying them $0.16/gallon (of treated fuel) more. how much more per gallon is the premium grade fuel they claim to replicate?
So its basically saying that it like a octane booster? I have no idea how much of this stuff you have to add to the tank for it to work effectively or how high the octant will be.
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Old Apr 18, 2011 | 04:10 PM
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see they don't come right out and say it, they just insinuate:

"...When you drive up to a gas station and see the different grades of gasoline… Basic, Premium, Plus… etc… These are just different grades of molecule spacing. They’re making the gas more effective, and charging you more money for it!... Imagine there was a legal, perfectly safe and natural way you could use the same technology the oil companies use to make premium fuel, and that you could use it anytime you like, to make the gas you buy for your car super effective..."

they go on to describe the product they're trying to sell.

the fine print at the bottom of the page:

"*Calculations based on customer reports of up to a 19% increase in fuel economy when properly using Force™. Formula: ( Price * 32 Ounces * 10 Gallons per Ounce ) * 19% Savings
71¢ savings with Force is based on $3.74/Gallon of Gas. (USA average as of 4/9/11)"

if i'm looking at that right it's saying 1oz is added to 10 gallons of gas.
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Old Apr 18, 2011 | 04:31 PM
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Default Re: Force Gas reformulator

Originally Posted by hondamark35
it reeks of "scam/infomercial." if it works like they claim however ([paraphrased] spacing fuel molecules so that they mix with air more completely... like premium fuels out of the pump... because that's what the numbers on the pump mean...)
But that isn't what the numbers on the pump mean.

How well the gas "mixes" with air and burns has nothing, at all, to do with the octane rating ("numbers on the pump").

It really reeks of scam to me...

Reading time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

The octane rating only means resistance to ignition. That's it. Higher octane gas is harder to ignite, which is needed only for engine that would otherwise has issues with pre-ignition.

Now, some stations also add more detergent to their "premium" gas, and some add the same detergent to all grades of fuel they sell, but that has nothing to do with the octane, or whether the gas is considered "premium".
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Old Apr 18, 2011 | 07:39 PM
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If you do some basic math, you'll see that their claims are ludicrous.

It's a scam.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 03:13 AM
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Originally Posted by TunerN00b
But that isn't what the numbers on the pump mean.
Originally Posted by ddd4114
If you do some basic math, you'll see that their claims are ludicrous.

It's a scam.
i completely agree.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 11:12 AM
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So this company is making false claims saying that they could make the fuel burn slower or mess with the stoichiometric rate. Even if it does work why would anyone want their car to burn lean or rich? well anyways, Thank you guys for the input. I might as well stick to what I know works by going easier on the gas pedal and just driving more economically overall.
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Old Apr 19, 2011 | 07:04 PM
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My eyes glazed over when I started reading the "technical" description of the product on their site, but from what I gathered, I think they were claiming to improve fuel economy by improving fuel vaporization and atomization. They also mentioned that their magical additive will act as a cleaner. Unless I missed it, I didn't see anything about (directly) changing the burn rate, and the mass of the additive in the tank will be pretty small compared to the mass of the gas, so the stoichiometric ratio of the fuel won't change significantly. Even if it did, the oxygen sensor would correct for it.

Burning lean will improve fuel economy because you need higher manifold pressure to make the same power, which decreases pumping losses. Hydrocarbon emissions also tend to be minimal slightly leaner of the fuel's stoichiometric ratio (depending on the engine), so less raw fuel will be wasted to the exhaust. Whatever the case, unless you car does not use oxygen sensor feedback, this product will not make you run lean.
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