Hey guys,
my rod bolts had to be torqued to 45 ft/lbs and i managed not to make any errors while torque-ing them using my craftsmen torque wrench.....well i got paranoid when i was torque-ing my 5 main caps (totall of 10 bolts) which i did 25 ft/lbs then 56 ft/lbs , but i dont know if i did it right ( i do have a helms manual i know there is a lossening order and an installation order)......well it all started when i torqued it down the 1st time then did a check on all of them, then suddenly i found myself loosening it and installing it back and forth cause my wrench clicks once and heard a second click thinking i over torqued it....well the last time i did it was teh best i guess, since it took me like 1 hour and doing it slowly, but am still frightenend from over over torqueing those bolts.....is it ok if the main caps where slighlty overtorqued lets say 5-10 ft/lbs more on some bolts?

i know this sounds stupid, but does does over torque those main cap bolts gonna effect on the crank bearings?

Extra Note: this is a B16 engine with stock crank and Manley Turbo Tuff rods!

 

You're fine. 5 to 10 ft-lbs is not going to hurt you. Besides, you said that you went back through them correctly. You didn't run it with them over torqued so I'd say you're safe.

 

well lets say i torque those 10 main cap bolts in same order as the helms manual to 25 ft/lbs and when i come to the final torque those 10 bolts to 56 ft/lbs i over torqued bolt number 6 (this an example)....can i loosen that bolt (no.6) with a ratchet then torque-ing it again to 20 ft/lbs then 56 ft/lbs? well can i do that without going backwards? or i have to redo it again from zero?

i wanan know what u guys do if this situation happens to you! to be honest this is my 1st engine build am doing and did allot of research before doing anything, but things like this are nothing but practical experience!

 

bump for some advice

 

Just loosen it up a little bit then torque it to your 56 ft/lbs.

If you really want to go through the whole process again, then go for it. You should be fine just backing it off a little (don't take off all the tension) and then hitting it back to 56 ft/lbs.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Lewdin’ Incognito &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">(don't take off all the tension) and then hitting it back to 56 ft/lbs.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i have decided to do it all over again, but whats do u mean here? are you trying to say here if i fully loosen a bolt to make sure to settle it to a low torque 25ft/lbs then fully torque it to 56 afterwards?


Modified by IntegraTypeR at 12:49 PM 8/19/2006

 

He meant to just losen it a little bit, just enough to make it move and then setting it for 56 ft/lbs. No need to go through all of the process again.

-Jason

 

wow.. another perfectionist, just like me hehe.. i feel you man, i went through the same struggle.. jes dont stress too much..

 

I might sound crazy but if your worrid about it start over just for piece of mind.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dmacaalay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">wow.. another perfectionist, just like me hehe.. i feel you man, i went through the same struggle.. jes dont stress too much..</TD></TR></TABLE>

lol....this my 1st build and want to it to br perfect

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thanks fo rthe advice i already did it all over again with a friend making a checklist making sure bolts order...my friend was even listening to my torque wrench informing me if it clicked twice or i slightly over torqued....anyway i feel more comfortable now...thanks guys thats really nice to get all this support

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Jason- &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">He meant to just losen it a little bit, just enough to make it move and then setting it for 56 ft/lbs. No need to go through all of the process again.

-Jason</TD></TR></TABLE>




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Wow dude. If you're already tripping this much, you're going to have a heart attack when you start driving the motor. Every little noise is going to send you into a panic. Just chill, bro. Take your time and make sure you do everything right. Pull your torque wrench slowly and you won't ever have to worry about double clicks. Count the bolts as you're torqueing them down...i.e. "this is one and two, three and four, and so on." You shouldn't need someone to babysit you while you build the motor. I'm not trying to talk **** with that last sentence, but it's the truth. If you're truly this concerned, pay someone to build it for you. Otherwise accept the fact that **** breaks when you start building your car. Again, I'm not trying to talk **** I'm just being real with you.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">........ Otherwise accept the fact that **** breaks when you start building your car. Again, I'm not trying to talk **** I'm just being real with you.</TD></TR></TABLE>.... i couldn't agree more, i just dropped one of my pistons and chiped the edge of the skirt (big piece). The blocks been bored to these usdm p79's already, it looks im going to have to make a tough decision myself
Remember, well built motors come from experience and Experience comes from (your or other peoples) mistakes. Have fun with it if you can't get another hobby

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Wow dude. If you're already tripping this much, you're going to have a heart attack when you start driving the motor. Every little noise is going to send you into a panic. Just chill, bro. Take your time and make sure you do everything right. Pull your torque wrench slowly and you won't ever have to worry about double clicks. Count the bolts as you're torqueing them down...i.e. "this is one and two, three and four, and so on." You shouldn't need someone to babysit you while you build the motor. I'm not trying to talk **** with that last sentence, but it's the truth. If you're truly this concerned, pay someone to build it for you. Otherwise accept the fact that **** breaks when you start building your car. Again, I'm not trying to talk **** I'm just being real with you.</TD></TR></TABLE>

i understand man, but man this feels like driving a bicycle for the 1st time...building this engine myslelf is part of my project.....and am not trippen believe me i worked on engine heads allot, but not much experience with engine block and wanted to know how to react with these sensitive parts thats all!! just to add to that my friend DIDN'T touch anything he was there helping me out! he helped me to lift the head and put on the block so i dont get the head surface dirty with oil! SO WHATS WRONG WITH THAT? there are some things that requires more than one person to quicken up the process! by the way i always do diagrams checking what i torque and dont go back to it! atleast am trying to be accurate....i dont want to see a build engine going down the drain, so here is my build concept:

1- Research
2- Work with Accuracy
3- Appropriate Tool before doing a certain job

i dont want to work with no fear then that would be dangerous, atleast when i have fear of seomthing my work will be accurate! no offense, but please undertsnad my thoughts here!

 

more power to you man im in the same boat.. building my first complete motor and making sure not to cut any corners or leave any door unopened.. tryin to learn anything and everything so i dont throw money down the drain..

 

thanks man...am very excited just like you are

whats your setup? my setup is a simple B16

 

http://www.honda-acura.net/for...45590

 

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cool nice setup! where did u reach in that project or you are still lookin for an intake and header? where did u reach in that build?

 

the block has all the internals clearanced and measured to spec.. i finally put the head on today.. the head has the valvetrain set in already, just need to throw on the cams, gears, timing belt, tensioner, oil pan, all the misc.. no header or intake yet.. i have a dented in dc 4-1 header that im thinking of fixing, or just gettin something better comptech or similar.. and intake, im still deciding between mugen and aem cai..

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by IntegraTypeR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i understand man, but man this feels like driving a bicycle for the 1st time...building this engine myslelf is part of my project.....and am not trippen believe me i worked on engine heads allot, but not much experience with engine block and wanted to know how to react with these sensitive parts thats all!! just to add to that my friend DIDN'T touch anything he was there helping me out! he helped me to lift the head and put on the block so i dont get the head surface dirty with oil! SO WHATS WRONG WITH THAT? there are some things that requires more than one person to quicken up the process! by the way i always do diagrams checking what i torque and dont go back to it! atleast am trying to be accurate....i dont want to see a build engine going down the drain, so here is my build concept:

1- Research
2- Work with Accuracy
3- Appropriate Tool before doing a certain job

i dont want to work with no fear then that would be dangerous, atleast when i have fear of seomthing my work will be accurate! no offense, but please undertsnad my thoughts here!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I didn't say there was anything wrong with having someone help you. What I meant was that you shouldn't need someone listening to the torque wrench for you and counting the bolts for you. Being cautious is very good. Being overly-cautious is not. I take my time for accuracy too, that's why I said to pull the torque wrench slowly. Being afraid while you work is not a good thing. You want to be confident that what you're doing it correct because you've put the research into making damn sure that it's correct...which you seem to have done.

I completely understand you not wanting to half *** your build, believe me I do. I'm a perfectionist, too. I'm just telling you to be more confident in what you're doing, especially if you work on cylinder heads. You have torque specs and a torque pattern for rocker arms right? The mains are just a big version of that. Like I said, I'm not trying to talk **** or be discouraging or anything. Quite the contrary actually. I ran into all kinds of "oh, am I doing this wrong?" problems that turned out to be me just being a ***** about hurting my brand new motor. It took people slapping me in the face with "stop being a ***** with your motor" a few times before I actually got it.

And I agree with that list 100%.

 

hehe.....man that made me feel very confident now...lol....you guys are the best...always pushing HT memeber to the best

u know sometimes poelpe like me need that talk/push to get encouraged and get things done with confident....well you are right about the rocker order...etc, but since i mentioned i had experience with engine heads (thats rocker and hydro tappet heads) i didnt go through that fear since that experience helped me to prevent that fear and the block thing was terrifying to me in begining, sicne it was a new experience to me...i thought about these horror sotries in my head "oh hope i dont get a spun bearing" ...."oh hope my piston seals dont fail on me".....BUT thanks to you man.....i am sure i can handle it now....am very thankful to you for scaring that chicken out of me....lol.....just wish me luck though AM GONNA TRY MY BEST


Modified by IntegraTypeR at 6:43 AM 8/22/2006

 

got any pics for us on the build??

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by dmacaalay &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">got any pics for us on the build??</TD></TR></TABLE>

i do but most pics are on my laptop, but here are some that dont show the build, but what i have completed:









nothing got to do with the engine build, but u get the point:


i have more deatiled pics of my build which i'll link later


Modified by IntegraTypeR at 11:14 PM 8/26/2006

 

Way cool, dude.

That's a damn nice looking motor, too.

 

thanks man....i wish i didnt rush things and spend some time to hi temp spray my block, but i was lazy to cover the head, bottom area...etc i have so many pics if u wanna seem em i could send you a couple by PM....to be hoenst i would like to make a complete post of my rebuild once i feel very comfrtable that the engine is up and running as u know i dont wanna make posts as if am a pro while am not! wish me all the luck man