ok i have the motor out of the car and i need to remove the crank pulley bolt to change the timing belt. i dont have the crank pulley tool and i need to get this bolt off asap. i heard you can stick a screwdriver in the flywheel to assist in removing the bolt.

forgive my ingnorance... but do you have to remove the trans to put the screwdriver in the flywheel or is there another way?

 

I know on a H series there is al ittle plug you can pull out to see the flywheel for timming the engine, i jsut used a pry bar in tehre the few tiems i had to tighten teh stupid bolt back up. Make sure you get it torqued right when you put it back on... i have had mine come undoen a few times now.

 

You wouldn't need to take off the tranny, I assume you'd just use the hole for the timing light/mark.

That being said, I would never try & hold it via that method. Given the amount of torque necessary to break that bolt off, you could frig up your flywheel pretty good doing that.

Although if you've got the engine out of the car, you might be able to find a safer way to fix the flywheel in place by removing the tranny.

 

Throw the motor in the back of a truck and drive it to your local Honda dealer.
Beg and plead (tears might help) until they zap it off for you.

 

if i had a truck maybe... lol

but where is this hole located for the timing?

thanks for the quick responses

 

Definetly not the best method,

but you should be able to remove just the bell housing, and access the flywheel that way.

 

use a freakin impact wrench

 

Get the new IR titanium 1/2" impact wrench. It's rated for a 1000 ft/lb's and it's only $200. It hasn't failed me yet...

 

with impact, u don't need to hold the pulley right?

 

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dont have one or $$$ to get one. thats why im looking for an inexpensive way to do this.

 

My dad took measurements, went to work and made me one of these. Basically, I have the tranny off and the top hole lines up with where a TRANNY bolt goes throught the block and the other hole lines up to a pressure plate bolt.

Works wonders for me and it was free.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by maztur &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">My dad took measurements, went to work and made me one of these. Basically, I have the tranny off and the top hole lines up with where a TRANNY bolt goes throught the block and the other hole lines up to a pressure plate bolt.

Works wonders for me and it was free.


</TD></TR></TABLE> for your dad great tool

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vultron &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">but where is this hole located for the timing?</TD></TR></TABLE>
Front side of the bell-housing on top of the flywheel, there's a rubber plug that you pull out - should be pretty obvious.

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It took roughly 1,400 ft/lbs. to get mine off. My entire body weight (200 lbs.) + 7 feet of leverage. We had to use 3/4" drive tools when we started bending the 1/2" ones. Good times . . . .

And even with an impact wrench, you still need to hold the crank in place somehow.

 

Really? I had know idea I was doing it wrong. I guess I just got lucky with last bazillion crank bolts I busted loose. Hmmmmm....

 

I removed the bolt on my friends B16A today with my IR 2135Ti impact gun. It took less than a second and the wrench only makes 600 Ft/lbs.

Air is the only way to fly...

 

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I'll readily admit, I've never taken one off via an impact wrench - but the principle remains the same, doesn't it? If you just try & turn the bolt by itself, it spins the crank . . . . It's simply torqued on there too tight. So you have to hold the crank pulley in place via the 50mm hex tool (or the less advisable "screwdriver in the flywheel" method).

As for the amount of torque it requires, that's obviously going to depend on the engine. I merely related the experience I had with my 100,000+ mile H22. It took more torque (1,400+ ft/lbs) to break it loose than any impact gun we had access to.

 

[QUOTE=Daemione]
Front side of the bell-housing on top of the flywheel, there's a rubber plug that you pull out - should be pretty obvious.


that only applies to h22 engines. the civics and integras don't have that rubber plug on the tranny. best choice is either rent a u-haul truck and take the engine to any local mechanic shop and ask them to use their impact gun on the bolt or use the screwdriver method. I used the screwdriver method for my friend's b18c1(this was before I got my pulley tool ) and took less the 10 mins to break the torque off the bolt.

 

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I'll readily admit, I've never taken one off via an impact wrench - but the principle remains the same, doesn't it? If you just try & turn the bolt by itself, it spins the crank . . . . It's simply torqued on there too tight. So you have to hold the crank pulley in place via the 50mm hex tool (or the less advisable "screwdriver in the flywheel" method).

As for the amount of torque it requires, that's obviously going to depend on the engine. I merely related the experience I had with my 100,000+ mile H22. It took more torque (1,400+ ft/lbs) to break it loose than any impact gun we had access to.</TD></TR></TABLE>

An impact will move the crank very little. If the sparks plugs are in the head and the serpentine belts are still tight, the crank won't move at all. That's what so great about an impact. You can loosen lug nuts with the wheels off the ground (the wheels won't move) and you can break bolts loose without the need to hold
whatever you are trying to get loose.

Most crank bolts are no where near as tight as the Honda engines. It has something to do with the design of the bolt itself. The bolts tend to lock on the flat surface of the pulley. You could tight the bolt to 250 ft/lbs but you would need a lot more torque to loosen the bolt.

The secret to loosen the bolt every time (you need the 2135Ti) is to leave the plugs in, keep the belts tight and use a tight fitting 19mm socket. If the belts and plugs are out, you'll loose a little bit of torque from the movement. If the socket is worn out or if it is the wrong size, you'll loose a little bit of torque from the movement in the socket. If you still can't get it, load the impact with air-tool oil and crank the air compressor as high as it will go.

Like I said, my 4 lb impact will bust them loose every time. I haven't touched my awkward-built, heavy-*** 3/4" impact since I bought the Ti.

-Troll-




Modified by AngryTroll at 4:01 AM 8/9/2003

 

goto a local hardware/plumbing store, buy a bolt that will fit into the pattern of the crank pulley, then weld that fitting onto a pipe, and use that to hold the crank in place while you use a breaker bar to loosen the crank pulley bolt

 

i never could get mine off the little d15b with the impact wrench. I have a big craftsman impact... I've removed alot of them but this laset motor wont budge.

Nick

 

If you plan on doing more than just one timing belt install than this is the best 65 bucks that you can spend on a tool. I have one and it works everytime. Its a must have for timing belt installs. Get it at summitracing.com.

 

If u don't have an impact, i guess u could rent one.

 

us an impact. or...


take the flywheel cover off and stick a screwdriver thru one of the holes on the flywheel and it will stop the crank from moving.