JCushing

You are expecting 180 whp with the 1.8 bore? Thats pretty much the goal I had in mind with the 2.0 liter, I was not aware that that power level was relatively easily attainable. Do you think you could reach that without headwork?

As you mentioned I too am doing this project just to see what I can accomplish with a non-vtec, obviously I am not aware of their full potential.

Any suggestions on a good ecu program?

Appreciate the info keep it coming

 

If your valvetrain can handle it cams will get you there. I just saw a B18C1 with Toda spec B's make 185 whp.

 

ya but a B18C1 head flows much better than the non-VTEC head.....bigger intake valves, bigger ports......so a simple set of cams for a VTEC head can give you higher numbers a little easier......

i recall HX_Guy making somewhere around 175whp with a B20 bottom end, high-compression pistons, crower 404 cams and the head was NOT ported.......so 180whp shouldent be a problem.........

 

I agree. The B18C1 head is a nice piece of work from Honda.

 

He had a nice set-up, too bad he went vtec.
What numbers can we expect from a stock LS bottom end, stock head and some 404's? And what about the B20 bottom end? (always stock) Would the difference in torque and HP would be worth it? Cause we've seen a few B20 non-vtec set up in here and they've been doing some nice times on the track (thinking about jinxproof99 and hx_guy) but i've never seen a stock block LS and stock head with 404's.

thanks

 

stock LS bottom end and stock non-ported head with 404's can probably put out 140-145whp with the right tuning and a good I/H/E setup.

my stock B18B1 made 152+whp with crower 403's, but i had the head ported, plus other mods to accompany it........

 

I have a 1992 Integra RS, so 140 whp would be good for 14's, not bad. And what about the B20z? How much do you think it would make?

 

ok first off the head i have is ported pretty aggresively. second i was going with .25 over ctr pistons putting me at 11.5:1. also the cam profile im prolly gonna go with has alot more lift than the crower 404's. i was looking at the 11.8mm or 12mm lift range. seeing dynos of other non vtec setups makes me think that 180 is certainly attainable but this is only my goal. nothing more. im by no means an expert. i set 180 hp as a goal for myself becaust an ls/vtec setup running 11.5:1+ cr's with r cams seem to make about 180hp so i set that an a non vtec goal.

crowers web site has dynos that seem to concur with what other people on this board seem to have hit with their cams.

hx_guy hit around 175ish hp with a non ported head and 404's. i dont think 180 is outa line with a .25 over ported b18b with alot more lift. 11.3mm vs 11.8+

im pretty much just rampling now but hey hit me up with any other comments

 

this is a b18b with bolt ons and the 404's hits about 150 peak im assuming its stock compression. 8500 rpm redline + 11.5:1 + 11.8+ mm of lift + a aggressive port job on top of a 2.5" exhast with jdm 4-1 and an r aem intake wrapped up with a skunk2 mani should do 180

 

Hx Guy's setup is mostly what I was trying to emulate with this project, maybe just take it a little further with the 405"s and a better header.

Any suggestions on the ECU?

 

stocked ecu chipped for higher redline with an afc or hondata. im gonna use an afc till i can afford hondata myself....

 

I have dynoed 2 different 2.0 LS motors with the 405 cams they are not streetable, the last one had a ported head with larger intake valves and 12-1 84.5 pistons,steel rods, etc. cams at 105 ctr line Skunk 2 intake. R throttle body DFE programable ecu. 248 ENGINE bp @ 8400 rpm. The 405a's may be steetable but will need head work,and compression, the 403's are a better street cam as they do not need to go above 8000 rpm.

 

anyone with some hands on experience with the 405a's??

 

Haha, Looks like I got you thinking about getting the cams too. You get them first tell me what you think, save me the worry.

 

ive got the skunk2 mani, head (not installed) and im about to get teh valve springs and rod bolts in a few days... thats my progress so far. still need a bunch of stuff. im thinking of the 405's cause they might be avalible somewhere casue tehre out of everything else


[Modified by JCushing, 9:35 PM 6/12/2002]

 

Rocket, would these cam blanks all be ground to pre made spec or do you think you could save a couple for custom spec profiles?

 

All are left unground for custom specs.

 

anyone running crane cams or know anyone that is? how does it compare to crower? i was thinking of maybe getting the ACU-282-4. its in between the 404 and 405A. i have been waiting for the crower 62404 for the last three months and its still on nation-wide back order and don't feel like waiting any longer.

 

You might be disappointed if you are looking only at the peak numbers. You will be impressive by the area under the curve though.

 

i would be interested in a single copy of the 62404 intake came alone.....just for a little more 7500-8000rpm+ power.........i wonder if the 404 intake cam with the 403 exhaust cam would be a good combo?

 

Why though. The intake cam is the one that affects the power as well as the idle. You will have more power w/ the 404's, but also get the rough idle as well.