Looking for bearings... which ones with stand a good pounding.... and why....ive been to all the web site...except oem, duh. And they all seem pretty good....but thats probaly all advertising ...i wanna hear the critics........

 

i've had both OEM and ACL's and i've had 2 motors with ACL's fail and never had an issue with OEM, wish i would've learned from the first time

 

Honda has seven bearing sizes. ACL/King/Cleavite/ect. bearings are sized for Honda's green (middle) bearing. As long as you're around the middle of the clearance range you're fine with one-size-fits-most bearings. As an example, I need Honda's two smallest bearing sizes for my rods (black and blue) and a green bearing set (two halves, not all of the rods) put my clearances well past the run out limit. In that case, aftermarket bearings would be a bad choice.

And bearings aren't meant to stand up to a pounding. Don't beat on your motor.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 91SiZ6 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Honda has seven bearing sizes. ACL/King/Cleavite/ect. bearings are sized for Honda's green (middle) bearing. As long as you're around the middle of the clearance range you're fine with one-size-fits-most bearings. As an example, I need Honda's two smallest bearing sizes for my rods (black and blue) and a green bearing set (two halves, not all of the rods) put my clearances well past the run out limit. In that case, aftermarket bearings would be a bad choice.

And bearings aren't meant to stand up to a pounding. Don't beat on your motor.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Who here doesnt beat on there motor?
hmmm... I think i'll race that turbo civic at part throttle.

Beat it like a bad step-child.

Bearings are bearings. They are all good bearings in my book.
As long as you grind the crank to fit the aftermarket bearings, you'll be fine. Also plastigage the oil clearance when your putting the motor together.

 

OEM FTW just use the right clearances.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BuddhaSiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Who here doesnt beat on there motor?
hmmm... I think i'll race that turbo civic at part throttle.

Beat it like a bad step-child.

Bearings are bearings. They are all good bearings in my book.
As long as you grind the crank to fit the aftermarket bearings, you'll be fine. Also plastigage the oil clearance when your putting the motor together.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Way to look like a ricer. Racing a motor and beating on it are two very, very different things.

And why in the hell would you cheap out on one-size-fits-most bearings only to spend more money screwing up your crank? Just spend the $200 on OEM bearings and get the proper clearances while keeping Honda's all important crank journal coating.

Rice at its finest.

 

yea i mean...them racing bearing should be good in there ways....but what better than honda engineering you know....but then again....they are called racing bearnigs for a reason...so im still confused...im mean im pretty sure many ppl dont use oem ones for 400whp cars

 

Those people took the time to check their bearing clearances to make sure their bearings were within spec, they then replaced out of spec bearings with OEM Honda bearings.

Personally, I choose to do things correctly the first time and not cut corners. If saving $120 is worth the possibility of having to re-rebuild your motor, go for it.

 

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Bearings are bearings. They are all good bearings in my book.
As long as you grind the crank to fit the aftermarket bearings, you'll be fine. Also plastigage the oil clearance when your putting the motor together.</TD></TR></TABLE>

WTF are you smoking?

 

BTW, this stupid question gets asked a lot. Anyone who's built a lot of motors knows that it doesn't really matter what brand of bearings you use. They all work, obviously, or they wouldn't be sold. There aren't any that work "better" than others, despite manufacturer claims.

I've used OEM and ACL a lot. 200whp, 500whp, etc. It doesn't really matter. Idiots ruin motors, not aftermarket bearings. People just like to blame this product or that product when their motors fail because they're angry and need a scapegoat.

 

Well the only thing that i curious about is that are oem ones suppose to withstand as much as a pounding as acl and all these other aftermarkets?

 

as pounding on oem bearings my last b20/vtec motor was turning 8500 rpm's, and the reason for me going with oem is that the there was a new crank in it thanks to acl bearings, and just like 91SiZ6 said u can size ur bearings instead of hoping wutever u get works out for the best, i'm sure i'm speaking for most around here but i dont like to spend money just to f**k **** up

 

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Many people consider OEM to be the best. There are 800whp+ cars using OEM bearings. I personally use ACL now because they work and they're cheaper.

Either way, they shouldn't be taking "poundings" unless something is wrong with your motor. The bearings just sit there - they aren't supposed to do anything. If you have crank-to-bearing contact, it doesn't really matter which brand of bearing you use - they are not going to last.

 

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WTF are you smoking?
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Grind, Turn, machine. You obviously cant just throw some bearings in and call it a day. i have the machine shop grind the crank. The journals on the crankshaft would have to be the same to be able to use one size bearing.

 

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Way to look like a ricer. Racing a motor and beating on it are two very, very different things.

And why in the hell would you cheap out on one-size-fits-most bearings only to spend more money screwing up your crank? Just spend the $200 on OEM bearings and get the proper clearances while keeping Honda's all important crank journal coating.

Rice at its finest. </TD></TR></TABLE>

So your saying that people that build their motors with aftermarket bearings are going to screw up their cranks?

Sorry if you guys misunderstand me. Racing is pushing it 100%. To me that is beating it.

 

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Grind, Turn, machine. You obviously cant just throw some bearings in and call it a day. i have the machine shop grind the crank. The journals on the crankshaft would have to be the same to be able to use one size bearing. </TD></TR></TABLE>


Shut up! You're dumbing down this thread with your bullshit.

 

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Shut up! You're dumbing down this thread with your bullshit.</TD></TR></TABLE>

your an idiot.

 

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your an idiot.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Grammatical error aside, allow me to bring a counterpoint to your excellent argument.

Do you actually know some douchebag who had his crank re-ground to fit a set of bearings?!?!?!

That's like buying a pair of shoes that are too small and deciding to cut off your toes so they'll fit.

Seriously, GTFO. What if someone reads your posts and doesn't know that you're an idiot who's to be ignored? I can see it now..

"Oh, so I should spend $125 to get my crank turned (and ruin the nitride finish in the process) in order for my bearing clearances to be within spec? Oh, okay. I was planning on just getting the correctly sized bearings for a couple of dollars, but I guess I could do the re-grind."

 

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Grind, Turn, machine. You obviously cant just throw some bearings in and call it a day. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Tell that to my last 3 motors.

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by BuddhaSiR &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> The journals on the crankshaft would have to be the same to be able to use one size bearing. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Not true. That's why there is a range between the high/low service limit.

For anyone who DOESN'T know, a standard ACL bearing set will spec out on most motors. If for some reason you install some ACLs and have a journal or two with unfavorable clearances, you can buy the correct bearings ($4 each via hondaautomotiveparts) to get the clearances where you want them. I've never had to do that though.

 

^^Dude, thank you. Those last two posts rocked.

Bearings are bearings. The only thing that matters is the clearance. The problem that too many people make is thinking that they're fine just slapping a set of aftermarket bearings in without at least Plastigaging. The reason why Honda has a range is so you know when bearings need to be replaced. If you install brand new bearings that are almost out of spec or past spec, your brand new motor is going to blow.

Always, always, always check your clearances and never grind the journal faces of a Honda crank. If you insist on doing something like that, have the journal bores reconditioned so all of the journals spec out the same. Though it's still cheaper and easier to just use the correct sized bearing in the first place.

 

i got a set of king bearing for my allmotor gsr setup, but only coz i got a good deal on them. heard a lot of good things, as long as the clearances are within spec. either one should work. youre barely gonna notice the differences (if any) between them anyways..

 

Well most of you guys are right...except for griding down crank buddy up there....but yea i guess after i plastigauge the motor ill find the cheapest bearings out there...which i think are ACL...That is if clearances are good

 

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Who here doesnt beat on there motor?
hmmm... I think i'll race that turbo civic at part throttle.

Beat it like a bad step-child.

Bearings are bearings. They are all good bearings in my book.
As long as you grind the crank to fit the aftermarket bearings, you'll be fine. Also plastigage the oil clearance when your putting the motor together.</TD></TR></TABLE>

It would do you good to read this -&gt; http://forums.evans-tuning.com...itive &lt;- bearing choice is the builders preferance. But turning a honda crank is always frowned upon.

 

well i will have to credit the brains of this forum 91SiZ6 and EnzoSpeed, granted there are cheaper bearings out there that may work but i really wanna know whats cheaper in the long run, and also i would love to add is that honda has been making bearings for um i dont know...........50 years and ACL has been out for i think 5-6 maybe so i think the good ole OEM is what we and various builders around the WORLD think is well frankly worth a f*ck - just my lil 2 cents - sorry for the long post

 

I stand corrected. Grinding the crankshaft = BIG no no.

Learn something everyday.