What do you all think?
if all motor what kind or parts to you think what bore size what kind of compression what do you think the total in parts will be i have been told that i can run 12s all motor if this is true what do i have to by to get there someone please let me know
thanks

 

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Whoa, slow down there buddy.

How bout you start off by telling us what kind of car you got, eh?

 

I take it he has a GSR. Read his name my friend. On a GSR.... all motor or turbo produces MASSIVE horses

 

all motor kicks ***, for about 10k dollars u can 199whp.. WOOO HOO!

 

I built my lsvtec for way less than 10g's and it produces 200whp

 

all motor baby, why put anything on your car that resembles the slowest animal on earth............a lowly slimy snail hahaha

how fast you want to go depends on how much you much want to spend........

 

Drive a honda w/ boost then ask yourself the question again.

 

and how ghetto u wanna make your car! (stripping interior etc.)

 

10g's was an exageration.. but no matter what u do to an all motor car, ur never gonna run as fast as a turbo car.

 

Unless the turbo car makes less power than your n/a car.

 

oh yeh, i forgot to add, "for the money"

 

the motor is still making the power, a turbo is merely an
accessory! has far as honda tuning is concerned, it makes
more "sence" to tune the crap out of the motor and make
the power with actual NA tuning. there is a point, however
that you will have to do some things like gearing, weight
reduction, ecu re-tuning and trial and error $$$. personally,
my pref is all motor, but would like my GSR to be boosted
one day 10:1, fully built 84.5mm bottom end, 15-20lbs on 93
octane. I know it wont be cheap! Sounds like its more
like a synergy than an either or to me... I am tuning NA
until I have reached as far as I can go on my stock bottom
end, for now! Boost is a beautiful thing... anyone who doesnt
know this, should ride in a 500rwhp/470tq Supra with a single
T78 and 19lbs of boost!!! my buddy with one recently educated
me at 15lbs 470/450 and it went like a rocketship!!! One day...
12s with full interior in my GSR would be a beautiful thing!

 

hahah don't forget to scrape the sound deading!!

 

simple ...

if boost, then get smaller discplacement

if all motor then get big displacenet and high RPM, i.e. more work ... that will accelerate the car.

I've seen a few NA cars ream sme type Turbo cars, case and point, Lip, Dennis-the-cop, ZSpeedGSR, etc.

Greg

Greg

 

unture www.ericksracing.com

 

for the money turbo is quicker. Overall turbo is quicker. NA will get you some serious recognition if you put a ton of money into it and beat some turbo cars. Right now, as far as I know, Erick's Racing has the quickest NA honda...in the 10s. I think he is making 26x.x hp.

 

so true..so true....

 

no comment

 

To Boost or not to Boost, that is the question? I say ALL MOTOR, but thats just me.

 

Agreed...

none can argue all motor requires precision, training, know how
and hard work to make happy. turbo does also, but all motor
for honda is "sexyier" also, undeniably. what honda motor
comes stock with a turbo? hence, the boost additive is a
sight to behold. I say, both schools of thought can be combined
well as long as we control big boost, high lift and
that overlap period!!!

my suggestion: purely academic at this point but muse with me...

endyn oversized FI valves, ITR/portflow springs, skunk retainers
head/port work for higher CFM on B18C1 blank
GSR 230 intake cam 10.6mm lift
ITR 235 exhaust cam 10.5mm lift
bias lift with lash adjustment i.e.
.007 intake (10.5-6), .0075 exhaust (10.6-7)
0,0 yeilds 20 deg of overlap which can be dialed DOWN
to reduce compression for instance,
+4,-2 makes 18 degrees OL for an approx CR lowering of .4
with longer exhaust duration before overlap period
for proper on boost VTEC breathing
14-16BTDC timing
1 bar + of boost, intercooled, 550cc injectors at @ stock fuel pressure
all the gadgets to make it work
sleeved C1GSR block bored to 84.5mm, forged pistons w/polished
heads and less stroke w/B17A crank and C1GSR forged rods @ 9.8:1
or less CR. This makes a 84.5 to 81.4 over-square bore/stroke ratio,
which is good for boost and could rev to about 8250RPM+ comfortably
on a built motor
AEM standalone for Engine Management
GSR manifold, ported and polished, reworked for higher CFM
thermal break, bypassed coolant around TB keeps charge air cool
TB opened to 65mm, tapered in front and back, portmatch
4-1 header with short primaries and 3" downpipe and cat
3" thermal RD catback
intake charge tuning, i.e. from to turbo and to intake runs with
appropriate blow off valves and wastegates, intercooler
flat black paint for the intercooler... no signs of power from the
outside pleeuz...

the $$$ it would take to build adding axles, a quaife, Extreme Pressure/
6puck ACT clutch and Comptech flywheel, torque and engine mount
upgrades, GSR stock gearset and LS 4.266 final drive, ecu, all parts,
tuning and labor would be well spent.. .lemme tell ya this car would
take 6 months to a year to build right.

if this were in a GSR with the right suspension and full interior, I would
estimate 380-400whp on 93 octane and 260-300tq at the wheels in a car
that could brake well and turn in fast and exit with the best of them. Tuning
alot of low end and midrange would be the goal for me with a big ol flat
tq curve

I would say this would be good for low 12s all day on 16" street tires like
S03s in a 2900lb car@driver that can behave if driven off boost/vtec.
I say a ITR brake and hub conversion would be in order with a set of 99
NSX front wheels all around, ITR rear wing on a 99 Taffeta White GSR,
endless brakes... no extra bagding but 93GSR logos on front corner panels...
oh man would that be tight... also RSX black leather seats will have to
replace the GSRs... can you say luxury auto/x/street/strip/sleeper?

who wants to build my modded dream car?

hehehe

Mike In Orlando


[Modified by MikeSarr_GSR, 12:12 PM 5/8/2002]