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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:33 AM
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Default Help with alignment setup

Ok so I just got done bolting all of my new suspension items in and did my alignment... problem is that the car handles turns worse now. I am not able to carry as much speed in long corners without the back end wanting to break loose.
Any help with my alignment theory would be greatly appreciated.

Current set up :

* Skunk2 proS coilovers(600LBS REAR/ 800LBS FRONT)
* Blox front and rear camber kit
* Carbing front and rear lower tie bars
* Skunk2 rear LCA's
* Falken Azenis 615's ( 205/50/15) already had those though so the tires should not be a factor

Alignment specs:

-2 1/2 front camber , - 2 rear camber, zero rear toe 1/8in total front toe out
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:39 AM
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This might not be the problem, but you'd want the toe in the rear, and NO TOE in the front.

that will give you a bit of stability through turns and straights, especially at high speeds
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 08:47 AM
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I will try throwing a touch of rear toe in on it. The front has 1/8in toe out, not toe in.
What do you think the limit of rear toe in for a car that is still street driven would be ?
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 09:02 AM
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Its on a Del Slow if that helps any. I am trying to get it set up for an auto-x event on Nov 8th. At the last event they set it up for the higher HP cars to stretch their legs a little. If they set it up the same way this time it looks like the higher speed turns are going to kill me.
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Old Oct 31, 2009 | 12:57 PM
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I couldn't help you there, anything minimal would be in the rear.

Other people will chime in
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 04:18 AM
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if this is for a high hp track. id zero your toes to not scrub the speed off. also if you wanted maybe lessen the rear camber by half a degree. good luck.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 02:00 PM
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Default Re: Help with alignment setup

Originally Posted by GrenadaEG2
Ok so I just got done bolting all of my new suspension items in and did my alignment... problem is that the car handles turns worse now. I am not able to carry as much speed in long corners without the back end wanting to break loose.
Any help with my alignment theory would be greatly appreciated.

Current set up :

* Skunk2 proS coilovers(600LBS REAR/ 800LBS FRONT)
* Blox front and rear camber kit
* Carbing front and rear lower tie bars
* Skunk2 rear LCA's
* Falken Azenis 615's ( 205/50/15) already had those though so the tires should not be a factor

Alignment specs:

-2 1/2 front camber , - 2 rear camber, zero rear toe 1/8in total front toe out
toe the rear in or soften the rear spring rates. actually. both would probably help. if you have 600lb springs to try out back i'd be curious what the results were.

other thoughts are setting up your line in order to be off the brakes before you turn. depending on the track this may be hard to do and thus the rate change.

Last edited by racebum; Nov 1, 2009 at 02:11 PM.
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Old Nov 1, 2009 | 05:06 PM
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I played around with it a little. I set the front toe to zero and gave the rear just a slight touch of toe in and it seems to have done the trick. I am going to pull about 1/2 a degree on the rear camber tomorrrow and see if that does anything aditional for me. Thanks for the help guys.
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Old Nov 26, 2009 | 09:56 AM
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I like the toe out up front. Makes the turn in quicker and more stable during cornering. The camber in the front sounds good. I had a little less in the rear. I also had 0 or a small amount toe out on the rear.
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Old Nov 27, 2009 | 10:25 AM
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So here is the update on the alignment setup. We ran it last sunday and lets just say it was not good. It was not TOO bad, but not good. I had the car set up with -2 1/2 camber front, -2 in the rear. 1/8in toe out front 0 toe rear. To say the car was loose would not even begin to touch on it. It felt like we were driving the car on ice. No grip in the rear at all. I hot lapped it with my buddy because his miata was down for the count, he said the it was more *** end happy than his car! So an FF that is running loose like a high HP FR. Any ideas ?
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