K20A_EH

Ok so i read a few threads on here about this vs that coilover, but most of them are "witch is the best for cheap" and along those lines.......but i want to know what is the all out best street/track coilovers, regardless of price

for road race/ autox/ touge/ dailydriver (nothing over 800lb spring rates)

price of $1,000.00-$2,500.00

some i have considered
Koni 8041-race/ GC
Buddy club - racing spec dampers
Tein type-RS (discontinued)
open to sujections

looking for the best "feel" of valving and springs


Modified by K20A_EH at 12:18 PM 12/6/2006

K20A_EH

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MyEG6

There's virtually no compromise between street/race setup. Anything over 800 is definitely not streetable in my terms. But others may suggest something different. Do you lean more towards the street or track? If you lean more towards the street, I would go with ots settings for both struts and springs. If you lean more towards the track, i'd go with more aggressive spring/valving settings.

I currently run 12k/10k Ksport kontrol pros and I love it. I dd with them but I tend not to go out of pattern. They are stiff and makes my car go airborne when I hit bumps in the road(normal springs wouldn't do that). So I drive my car in a regular route where I'm in a sort of controlled environment such that I know where all the bumps in the road are.

The stiffer you go the more careful you have to be on public roads. They are bumpy and will cause a car to go airborne for split seconds so if you're not alert and holding on the wheel, you could very well slide all over the place.

Might I add, the ksports are on an eg. Crx would utilize softer springs cause of lighter weight. DC would certainly utilize a heavier spring rate to achieve the same effect.

Review:
Sweeping turns enhanced dramatically while sharp turns were enhanced moderately. Since switching, I have been able to comfortably take a mountain route at 80km versus previously comfortable at 50km(stock struts, lowering springs). No sway bars(adding soon).

K20A_EH

on my old integra i had some D2 coilovers 9k 7K witch i feel are weak....im aiming more tward track on my new project

i want nothing over 800 Lb. springs

i want to try out the koni's but im still trying to figure out if they'll go low enough for my liking (i dont know if 1.5" drop will get rid of wheel gap)

PIC Performance

Why are you choosing to cap your spring rates at 800lbs/in?

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koni 2811 best in IMHO

best bang for buck Ground Control advance design or ssps revalved yellows

best JDM brand old spoon N1 (showa) or mugen N1 (showa)

K20A_EH

cause spring rates over 800lbs i feel are to stiff

ideal rates are F:700 lb, R:600 lb

i think i remember someone from AJracing say the same thing about spoon/mugen showa coilovers
he ranked them something like
1: mugen n1
2: spoon n1
3: buddy club P1 dampers
4: buddy club - racing spec dampers
tein did'nt make the list

he said that he would'nt run the mugen's on the street

K20A_EH

are 700/600 spring rates to weak to be used with Koni 2811

K20A_EH

i herd really good things about the Koni-8041 race shocks.....but im conserned about the drop they give

buddy club racing spec dampers i herd are really good too valved to 1000lbs and come with pillow ball mounts for the same price as koni-race+ground control


Modified by K20A_EH at 6:39 PM 12/6/2006

K20A_EH

maybe this should be a POLL

after i get some more choices from people

slammed_93_hatch

never used the BC or the teins. But a few guys ran the BC and weren't really impressed, (they might have said they were while they were sponsored, but the suspension was not in the car for all that long).

And the tein's, the guys who run them out here AKAIK run really custom stuff.

MyEG6

Pillow ball mounts are not effective on a wishbone suspension. "Non" Macpherson struts can't utilize pillow ball mounts to adjust camber.

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Typo


Modified by MyEG6 at 1:53 PM 12/9/2006

PIC Performance

A pillow ball is just another name for a spherical bearing, and its not the spherical bearing that adjusts camber in the first place.

What you're thinking is the adjustable camber mounts, which, as far as I know, do not exist in any form for his Integra.

K20A_EH

so there is no benifit from pillow ball mounts

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spherical bearings pretty mutch eliminate all deflection issues where in places they are used


Modified by Team Bukkake Sucks!!! at 8:47 PM 12/8/2006


Modified by Team Bukkake Sucks!!! at 8:48 PM 12/8/2006

Team Bukkake Sucks!!!

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Dont listen to this bs

blinx9900

tein flex?

K20A_EH

well ive been looking around and it seems KONI/GC setup is pretty popular in all of the poll's on here
and alot of times Omni power is second choice, i was under the impression that Omni power was a budget coilover "made in tiwan" with no adjustment other then height

why are Koni/GC so popular, the only reason i have got from shops is they are better because the spring rates can be to customer spec

a few people have said that Koni's damping just feels better

have anybody tried koni & something else & can give there opinion

MyEG6

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Wishbone suspension can't use the pillowball mount to adjust camber....


Modified by MyEG6 at 2:08 AM 12/11/2006

slammed_93_hatch

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Wishbone suspension can't use the pillowball mount....</TD></TR></TABLE>


You are completly wrong. A spherical bearing in the shock mount on a double wishbone honda will work fine, if it is designed correctly.


On a double wishbone suspension you CAN NOT adjust camber or caster from the upper shock mount. (which is what you might be talking about).


My race car has spherical mounts at all four corners, and they DO have benifits.

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You are completly wrong. A spherical bearing in the shock mount on a double wishbone honda will work fine, if it is designed correctly.


On a double wishbone suspension you CAN NOT adjust camber or caster from the upper shock mount. (which is what you might be talking about).


My race car has spherical mounts at all four corners, and they DO have benifits.</TD></TR></TABLE>

what about s2000's then

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Wishbone suspension can't use the pillowball mount....</TD></TR></TABLE>

yes they can all of these companants are for a double wishbone car and all have "pillowball mounts in place of rubber






Modified by Team Bukkake Sucks!!! at 7:04 PM 12/9/2006

Team Bukkake Sucks!!!

your thinking of the camber plate not pillow mount

slammed_93_hatch

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what about them?


As far as i under stand it, the concept of double wish bone suspension wont allow you to adjust camber or caster from the upper shock mount.


ok i went to google image search and got this picture of what looks like the front suspension

front

rear


and that picture shows me, no adjustment can be made via the upper shock mount. The damper is attached to some type of LCA, which is then connect to the spindel, the upper part of the double wishbone is connected to the upper part of the spindel. You can control camber from either LCA. And caster through the upper, (probably through the bottom one too but not that easily). I don't see how it is dynamiclly possible for you to adjust camber or caster from the upper damper mount on the s2k, i guess i could be missing something, is so please explain

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ment for another thread. i look at the keyboard when i type