help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 09:21 AM
  #1  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates

I installed the resitor box inline with the yellow black wires on my injectors. I also used the 10 ohm 10watt resitors inline with the power wires. When the car is running it idles like ****, it also stutters when you get on the gas. I am running uberdata and using my friends map (who has the same setup, I used his chip and mine, also burned an identical one from beerbongskick *** but it runs like ****.

I put the stock injectors in and reburned uberdata for the 240's and it runs great.

The only thing is the dsm injectors are sitting a bit out of the manifold seals, They arent flush like stock injectors. Would this really cause a problem? There is no fuel leak and I bored out the injector seals a bit but maybe not enough.

so basically could the injectors not sitting in the manfold close enough cause it to sputter and hesitate?
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 11:37 AM
  #2  
Akira-R's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

try your spark plugs first... see how they are...
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 11:57 AM
  #3  
beerbongskickass's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2003
Posts: 2,199
Likes: 1
From: WA
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (Akira-R)

Yeah I am pretty sure the injectors are supposed to sit like that, mine do and they work fine. Did you have a wideband on your car when you were trying to get in running on the DSM injectors?
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:01 PM
  #4  
SOHC_MShue's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,440
Likes: 2
From: Richmond, Va, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (beerbongskickass)

no wide band, but we used the same chip that my friend is using with the same injectors, resistor box etc. same setup.


my plugs are 6 heat range NGK platinums gapped to .35

Has anyone heard of jumping the injectors (direct from the battery with the resistor box to get them working), my friend just did this last night since his injectors have been sitting for a while. Plus I am gonna soak these injectors in cleaner
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:02 PM
  #5  
SOHC_MShue's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,440
Likes: 2
From: Richmond, Va, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (SOHC_MShue)

this was supposed to be under YUSOSLO but I was signed in under SOHC_Mshue

Opps!
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:18 PM
  #6  
Akira-R's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jan 2000
Posts: 318
Likes: 0
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (SOHC_MShue)

aren't your plugs gapped too far apart?
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:36 PM
  #7  
TurboJesse
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (Akira-R)

are they injectors good? they could use a cleaning/flow test i bet.
Reply
Old Sep 19, 2004 | 12:42 PM
  #8  
SOHC_MShue's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,440
Likes: 2
From: Richmond, Va, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (Mpir3)

i meant gapped to .035

should I gap them to .028?
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:09 AM
  #9  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (SOHC_MShue)

bump
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 07:24 AM
  #10  
rioninja's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 2
From: Philadelphia, PA
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by yusoslo &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I installed the resitor box inline with the yellow black wires on my injectors. I also used the 10 ohm 10watt resitors inline with the power wires. </TD></TR></TABLE>
There is your problem. You dont need resistors AND a resistor box...
Reply
Old Sep 20, 2004 | 01:11 PM
  #11  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (rioninja)

also....as in another method

i did not do both at the same time

just today i "jumped my injectors" hooking up the injectors to my battery directly.

left side to the positive and the right side to the negative, which opened up the selinoid in the injector.

I have heard of mechanics doing this to injectors that have sat unused for a long time
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2004 | 07:02 AM
  #12  
rioninja's Avatar
Member
 
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 3,331
Likes: 2
From: Philadelphia, PA
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

If your positive your wiring is correct, and your computer is in propper condition, then all signs would point to a faulty injector(s).
Reply
Old Sep 21, 2004 | 09:59 AM
  #13  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (rioninja)

going to try it again tonite
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2004 | 11:42 AM
  #14  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

any other ideas?
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2004 | 11:53 AM
  #15  
green_GSR's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Apr 2000
Posts: 246
Likes: 0
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

How's the fuel pressure, base timing, and cam timing? They are related to the idle quality of the motor.
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2004 | 12:30 PM
  #16  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (green_GSR)

all of those are fine. it has to be the fuel injectors since it runs great with the stock ones in. plus there is 100% continuity and equal resistance aross each line for the injectors
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2004 | 09:11 PM
  #17  
96y7turbo's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Posts: 23
Likes: 0
From: oak park, il, USA
Default

you did take off the resistors from the + side right??? cause as the guy stated before you only need the resistor box <U>OR</U> the radio shack resistors on the yellow and black wire not on the + wire... cause if you have them on both sides it will run like ***...
Reply
Old Sep 23, 2004 | 09:37 PM
  #18  
honda9369's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,448
Likes: 0
From: carlisle, pa
Default Re: (96y7turbo)

HOLY ****!!! so im not the only one having this exact problem. bump cuz i still havent figured it out.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:07 AM
  #19  
SOHC_MShue's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,440
Likes: 2
From: Richmond, Va, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

I'm 100% positive me and yusoslo had them hooked up correctly.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 06:44 AM
  #20  
EE_Chris's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Oct 2001
Posts: 4,611
Likes: 3
From: Severn, MD
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (SOHC_MShue)

What are you running in the way of extra resistance for the DSM 450s?

Are you using JUST the single 10ohm 10W resistors?

Are you using JUST the resistor box?

Are you using BOTH of them?

Please answer this as some of us probably think you have BOTH of them hooked up and this will cause you problems as you initially siad you had them both hooked up.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:00 AM
  #21  
SOHC_MShue's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,440
Likes: 2
From: Richmond, Va, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (EE_Chris)

nah he mistyped it or something. First we tried just a resistor box and then we tried just those 4 10ohm resistors. Now were back to just using the resistor box. We never used them both at the same time.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:16 AM
  #22  
yusoslo's Avatar
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Oct 2002
Posts: 1,229
Likes: 0
From: dirty south, and I mean dirty, NY, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (SOHC_MShue)

yeah guys only one at a time, now we are using just the resistor box.

i shocked the injectors to make sure the solenoids are opening and i am gonna try it tonight.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:20 AM
  #23  
SOHC_MShue's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Jun 2002
Posts: 11,440
Likes: 2
From: Richmond, Va, usa
Default Re: help! 450cc injectors running like crap, car sputters/hesitates (yusoslo)

damn BJ get those things in already.
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 09:17 AM
  #24  
turboZChatch's Avatar
Honda-Tech Member
 
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 1,159
Likes: 0
From: CLINIC
Default Re: (honda9369)

I was having a very simialr problem with mine nit seating correctly was the only thing I could think of being the problem so I took off the fuel rail and honed out the mounting locatin alittle bit and was able to tighten the rail down more on a little better of an angle and the car ran alot better but also if the car was running and I sprayed carb cleaner around the injectors the idle would smooth right out.......not sure if this helps at all but just thought I would let you know....good luck
Reply
Old Sep 24, 2004 | 07:43 PM
  #25  
honda9369's Avatar
 
Joined: Jul 2003
Posts: 2,448
Likes: 0
From: carlisle, pa
Default Re: (turboZChatch)

up
Reply



All times are GMT -8. The time now is 10:20 AM.