Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning.
Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning.
Well, the freeway entrance ramp is a right hand tight radius turn-- and I was going about 60mph on it-- which is normal for me. I don't ever try to push the limits of my completely "stock" suspension. (springs don't count). I was doing my normal business when i felt the *** end break loose-- go sideways a bit, countersteer my way out, and straighten her back out. Nothing major happened, but it could have. It was a really nice day out, now water-- warm temps <75ish>. What do you think could have cause my tires to give out on me? I'm running yokohama a520's and the rear end is low on tread, but still has enuf that I wouldn't think that would have happened.
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Re: Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning. (integranator)
Lots of things could have caused that, the primary reason being the driver.
On the list of mechanical things:
- uneven tire pressures between front/back
- tires in general - need more info for whether this applies or not
- blown shocks in the rear (rear suspension bottoms out, rear spring rate instantly approaches chassis stiffness levels)
-worn bushings
On the driver side, you probably lifted on the throttle causing a forward weight transfer which reduces grip in the rear.
Attend a driving school.
On the list of mechanical things:
- uneven tire pressures between front/back
- tires in general - need more info for whether this applies or not
- blown shocks in the rear (rear suspension bottoms out, rear spring rate instantly approaches chassis stiffness levels)
-worn bushings
On the driver side, you probably lifted on the throttle causing a forward weight transfer which reduces grip in the rear.
Attend a driving school.
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Re: Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning. (rapid_roy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rapid_roy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Attend a driving school.</TD></TR></TABLE>
Attend a driving school.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning. (rapid_roy)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rapid_roy »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Lots of things could have caused that, the primary reason being the driver.
On the list of mechanical things:
- uneven tire pressures between front/back
- tires in general - need more info for whether this applies or not
- blown shocks in the rear (rear suspension bottoms out, rear spring rate instantly approaches chassis stiffness levels)
-worn bushings
On the driver side, you probably lifted on the throttle causing a forward weight transfer which reduces grip in the rear.
Attend a driving school.</TD></TR></TABLE>
they teach you that stuff in a driving school?
On the list of mechanical things:
- uneven tire pressures between front/back
- tires in general - need more info for whether this applies or not
- blown shocks in the rear (rear suspension bottoms out, rear spring rate instantly approaches chassis stiffness levels)
-worn bushings
On the driver side, you probably lifted on the throttle causing a forward weight transfer which reduces grip in the rear.
Attend a driving school.</TD></TR></TABLE>
they teach you that stuff in a driving school?
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Re: Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning. (jdmjerk)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by jdmjerk »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">they teach you that stuff in a driving school?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It depends on the school of course, but yeah, vehicle dynamics and control is what it's all about. You get to practice it what they teach so you don't have to think about what to do, you just do it.
The most important part I walked away with with unwinding the steering wheel when the car starts to oversteer, a completely counterintuitive reaction that is very hard to overcome. If you are turning right and understeering heavily, you don't turn the wheel more to the right, you turn it to the left (unwinding). Combine that with a little throttle lift and you can avoid what would otherwise have been a very painful and expensive lesson.
If you don't want to go to a driving school, start autocrossing. Both allow you to experience and practice vehicle control and recovery in a safe environment that also happens to be a shitpile of fun. It *will* make you a better, safer driver.
I went to a BMWCCA sponsored school, and they have regional locations that offer disocunts on driving schools, track days, and hold autox. http://www.bmwcca.org/index_flash.shtml
There are other organizations that all do the same thing, just find one close to you and sign up.
It depends on the school of course, but yeah, vehicle dynamics and control is what it's all about. You get to practice it what they teach so you don't have to think about what to do, you just do it.
The most important part I walked away with with unwinding the steering wheel when the car starts to oversteer, a completely counterintuitive reaction that is very hard to overcome. If you are turning right and understeering heavily, you don't turn the wheel more to the right, you turn it to the left (unwinding). Combine that with a little throttle lift and you can avoid what would otherwise have been a very painful and expensive lesson.
If you don't want to go to a driving school, start autocrossing. Both allow you to experience and practice vehicle control and recovery in a safe environment that also happens to be a shitpile of fun. It *will* make you a better, safer driver.
I went to a BMWCCA sponsored school, and they have regional locations that offer disocunts on driving schools, track days, and hold autox. http://www.bmwcca.org/index_flash.shtml
There are other organizations that all do the same thing, just find one close to you and sign up.
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Re: Rear End Slid out on me-- concerning. (96integra)
Its not that steep but then again I drive around on JIC FLT-A2s with Eagle GS-D3s... springs do effect your handling, and more than likely you lifted without really knowing about it
When my rear starts to get out of line I usually give it some more go to keep equal ammounts of traction everywhere... besides if the front starts to skid I scrub off speed which is a good thing when you are aproaching an out of control situation
I would rather have 4 tires just over the limit than two tires well within the limit and two way outside the limit
When my rear starts to get out of line I usually give it some more go to keep equal ammounts of traction everywhere... besides if the front starts to skid I scrub off speed which is a good thing when you are aproaching an out of control situation
I would rather have 4 tires just over the limit than two tires well within the limit and two way outside the limit
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