I can get a Bisimoto for $500, brand new, uncoated. I would header wrap it

Now my head and block are going to be completely built, 12:1 compression tuned spraying a 100 shot

Do you guys think the busimoto header is the best bang for the buck? (quite a bit of buck)

Im not rich but header seems to be an easy h/p area and would be money well spent

The car is also daily driven and the ground clearance on these are amazing

Is there anything better?

Thanks

 

 

I'd get the header for sure, because it is a proven unit at a good price. I would not wrap it for extended periods of time, because the wrap kills the material. Get it coated yourself, or find a heat dissipating paint. They are a nice looking header as well.

 

Go for the bisi. Keep in mind that it won't fit with ac and power steering. However with a name like full race a6, I'm assuming that you don't care about ac or ps.

 

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what about the an-r header?

does anyone have any real first hand experiences with any of these two headers on their d -series??
any dynos??



i want to know the truth about these headers
i've read here that both are made by the same person

 

Bisi dispelled that myth on another forum. They are not made by the same person. No firsthand experience here with either. However I've read a number of complaints here on HT about the an-r header cracking.

 

this is not true. bisimotos headers are made by the same guy that makes an-r headers and a few other headers including prospeed and ericks racing.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ANR008 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is not true. bisimotos headers are made by the same guy that makes an-r headers and a few other headers including prospeed and ericks racing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I dont know this ANR008, but by the looks of it, i think he should know who makes what header.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by kommon_sense &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bisi dispelled that myth on another forum. They are not made by the same person. No firsthand experience here with either. However I've read a number of complaints here on HT about the an-r header cracking.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ANR008 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is not true. bisimotos headers are made by the same guy that makes an-r headers and a few other headers including prospeed and ericks racing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ANR008 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this is not true. bisimotos headers are made by the same guy that makes an-r headers and a few other headers including prospeed and ericks racing.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Can you provide pointers to info confirming this? Besides even if that were true the guy could still be building headers to each customers specs/design.

 

Bisimoto units are custom made to your engine specs, unlike the competition. Yours truly has vast experience with the engine series in question, and hence can provide you units that work impeccably well.

Our fabricator my not be unique to us alone, but our technology and engineering are immense! You, the consumer/enthusiast, can draw your own conclusions.

Ceramic coating is highly recommended, instead of "wrapping".

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bisimoto units are custom made to your engine specs, unlike the competition. Yours truly has vast experience with the engine series in question, and hence can provide you units that work impeccably well.

Our fabricator my not be unique to us alone, but our technology and engineering are immense! You, the consumer/enthusiast, can draw your own conclusions.

Ceramic coating is highly recommended, instead of "wrapping". </TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Bisimoto units are custom made to your engine specs, unlike the competition. Yours truly has vast experience with the engine series in question, and hence can provide you units that work impeccably well.

Our fabricator my not be unique to us alone, but our technology and engineering are immense! You, the consumer/enthusiast, can draw your own conclusions.

Ceramic coating is highly recommended, instead of "wrapping". </TD></TR></TABLE>

first of all for having the fastest sohc out there!

so how does this works? your headers are custom made to my engine specs,and exospeed sell them,will exospeed ask me what my engine specs are??and then they will contact your fabricator??

 

for bisi..!!

 

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Our fabricator my not be unique to us alone, but our technology and engineering are immense!</TD></TR></TABLE>

So, question for you then....

Bisimoto headers use the same exact custom made collectors as the AN-R/Prospeed/Ericks Racing/etc, etc headers... All collectors being made by Steve Brown... The materials are the same, the specs (primary length/angles) can be made identical, similar or completely different upon request from one header brand to another being that they are all made by the same guy...

Other than the names they are sold to the public under, what differes what you sell from what the other companies have been selling???

Oh, also... Why were you or your dealers previously claiming that your headers were using Burns collectors???

Id also like for you to explain this comment...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Bisimoto &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Our fabricator my not be unique to us alone, but our technology and engineering are immense!</TD></TR></TABLE>

I feel thats an unfair comment to anyone else selling Steve Browns race headers...

As I just explained, same collectors, same materials, same fabricator, potentially upon request... the same specs...

Whats to say Andrew from AN-R or Brian from Prospeed or even Eric Agular couldnt atain an identical header (specs/materials)???


Modified by Rick Solis at 1:44 AM 9/20/2004

 

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As I just explained, same collectors, same materials, same fabricator, potentially upon request... the same specs...

Whats to say Andrew from AN-R or Brian from Prospeed or even Eric Agular couldnt atain an identical header (specs/materials)???


Modified by Rick Solis at 1:44 AM 9/20/2004</TD></TR></TABLE>

...because I have done numerous testing at on the dyno, and the track, with documented algorithms to what dimesions work with different setups, and continue to document up to this very day.

It is not fair that you continue to make statements with full understanding of the facts.

 

AN-R... Ive had 2 AN-R headers and they blow DC headers out of the water. My Current AN-R is perfect for me. i previously had a JDM DC 4-1 and it was good. The AN-R opened up my mid-top end power alot more. better exhaust flow. No Dissapointments here. BTW i have the AN-R header with the Merge Collector.

 

i asking that much ,cuz i might get a bisimoto header for my d16z6,but i want to know how this stuff works,since bisi states that ''Bisimoto units are custom made to your engine specs''
,and the only place that have them avaibable is exospeed,would they sell me a custom header made to my specs or the one they show on their pics??

 

I'm thinking maybe even though they use the same fabricator, that doesn't mean they don't have independent design and engineering. So he probably just builds them how bisimoto, anr, and others dictate, not just build the same for all of them.

 

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Ok, I think Im getting it now...

As a result of your continuous testing and research of the optimal header configuration youve come to the conclusion that the headers that Randy Monroe and Steve Brown have been making long before there was a company by the name of Bisimoto were ideal?

Ideal enough to give them the Bisimoto name???

Is that how it works?


Ericks Racing B series Header (also available for D series)...



Bisimoto D series Header...



IMO those 2 headers are as close as your gonna get...

Now, both of those headers use the same exact custom collector, made by the same guy... Both of those headers apear to have the same primary lengths, both of those headers use the exact same materials (flange is slightly different design), both were designed and fabricated by the same guy but other than that...

Granted, one is for B series motors and one is for D series motors so there will be some differences... The primaries are routed SLIGHTLY different and the collector angle is SLIGHTLY different as well... But like I said, 1 is a B series Header, 1 is a D series header...

Care to explain how the Bisimoto header differs from the Ericks Racing header?

I used to think it was the fact that you were using Burns collectors, I recently found out that wasnt the case at all...

I never did understand why you and your dealers claimed that Bisimoto headers used Burns collectors when in fact they were the same custom merge collectors everyone else was using...

Care to elaborate on that?

Id also like to know why you had posted on another web board that your headers werent fabricated by the same guy as the rest (AN-R/Ericks Racing/Prospeed) when in fact they are and always have been?

 

Well hello there Ricky. To think that you almost had me fooled.

 

Rick, you have been warned numerous times for your behavior on this board. Your goals are confusing to me to say the least. It is sad that people like you exist: spreading negative propaganda to what ever means you deem fit.

People (that matter) know my contribution to the scene, and that I am an upstanding individual. Your feeble attempts to cause chaos and problems with my business partners, and to mislead the enthusiasts on this board are silly.

Once again, please get a life.

 

Well, you chose to avoid my questions, thats fine...

I have no intentions of causing chaos to anyone, Im just asking a few questions that myself and others have wanted answers to for a while now...

Thats fine though, I can understand why youd rather attack my charactor than answer the questions...

I know all I need to know...

Well leave it at that...

 

well it seems to me that the header is similar to the AN-R and prospeed design. If bisi, an-r, and prospeed headers are in deed from the same maker ....why would one be better than the other? its the same design from the same maker, wouldnt that be the same header except they have different names?

Rick wasnt trying to be an *** i'm sure, but i too would like to hear the anwer to this statement:

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Rick Solis &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Care to explain how the Bisimoto header differs from the Ericks Racing header?

I used to think it was the fact that you were using Burns collectors, I recently found out that wasnt the case at all...

I never did understand why you and your dealers claimed that Bisimoto headers used Burns collectors when in fact they were the same custom merge collectors everyone else was using...

Care to elaborate on that?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Now, both of those headers use the same exact custom collector, made by the same guy... Both of those headers apear to have the same primary lengths, both of those headers use the exact same materials (flange is slightly different design), both were designed and fabricated by the same guy but other than that...

Granted, one is for B series motors and one is for D series motors so there will be some differences... The primaries are routed SLIGHTLY different and the collector angle is SLIGHTLY different as well... But like I said, 1 is a B series Header, 1 is a D series header...

Care to explain how the Bisimoto header differs from the Ericks Racing header?

I used to think it was the fact that you were using Burns collectors, I recently found out that wasnt the case at all...

I never did understand why you and your dealers claimed that Bisimoto headers used Burns collectors when in fact they were the same custom merge collectors everyone else was using...

Care to elaborate on that?

Id also like to know why you had posted on another web board that your headers werent fabricated by the same guy as the rest (AN-R/Ericks Racing/Prospeed) when in fact they are and always have been?
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since when is attempting to discredit someone ok in the allmotor forum? guy says he can get a "bisi" header for cheap and asks if its worth it. Is Bisi attempting to sell on this site or this thread? no.

I don't know one way or the other. Bisi might have designed or had input on his stuff or not...more then likely he has...you'd think so. He's probably done more testing then anyone on this site. This is just a scenerio..so bare with me..its could be false or true...but that doesn't matter its the point.

If i did lots of realtime testing on track of a products design and figured out what worked best...it would be nice to be apart of that product. You put a guy like Bisi's stamp on a product it has clout...simple as that. Put his name on it and it very might sell because it works. Whats the difference between him doing just that (if he is at all...i wouldn't know..i'm not there) and someone calling up Weisco or JE and getting "Lip Spec" pistons produced....or Eibach and getting "Lips road carving springs" produced. Many many companies do just this. Its possible Bisi had a hand in designing specifically...or its his work on track figuring out what works. There is zero need to attempt to discredit in the allmotor forum. Try General Discussion and Debate or http://www.offtopic.net