Hey guys, been a while since i posted here.

Running a dsp gsr integra and looking to convert to GT2 car in the near future.

Been running a lot of laps at some track recently and for the past 6 years and have found the oil temps are rather high in the Vtec engines. Just wondering what brand oil coolers is everyone using and what location seems to work best for everyone.

Thks

 

Stock OEM unit works fine

 

Last time i checked the B18C1 does not have a oil cooler.

 

B&M with the Greddy relocation kit.

 

Any of them have a place to tap into for oil presure and oil temp senders?

And also anyone see a oil presure drop using coolers.

 

2nd gen rx7 one for me. its biiiiig

 

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those are nice!

 

I'm selling my oil cooler if you are interested....

 

I've got one out of a GMC HD 2500.
Haven't installed it yet though.
Trying to figure out just how much cutting will be involved.

 

hi stu.

after a couple of iterations, this is what i came up using with great success -- a Howe roadrace radiator/oilcooler combination. it was custom done up for my 95 Civic hatch (should be a drop in for your integra), which at the time had a B series motor in it. the radiator is in perfect shape; less than one season of use, and i always kept a fine mesh in place in the grill when i was using it (protection from flying stuff). it is all aluminum, over double thickness, full length, with custom mounting points tig welded on for an EG chassis. it has an integral oil cooler (quite large). this will both warm the oil when it is cold, and of course, cool the oil when it is hot. worked AWESOME on my car. unfortunately, will NOT work with a K swap. interference with the alternator.....

pics here:

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this radiator is good for 450 hp (way overkill for my car, but i was sick of having overheat problems the two years previous). i never even used a fan with this setup, and never ever overheated. its definitely the way to go in a roadrace environment.

never noticed any oil pressure drop with the setup ( i used an adapter on the block, with big lines and a remote filter kit (used the big Ford oil filter)).

i'd like to sell it, and am asking $450 for it. i still have the original box, too!

thanx

todd reid
d15b7@aol.com

ps even if you don't buy mine, i highly recommend the combination oil cooler/radiator combo. very good control of your engine's coolant temp and oil temp, all in one nice package.

 

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94-95 GSR did. Same OE unit used on ITRs.

 

http://permacool.com/Catalog/Cat_page31.html

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these work great and are cheap , they are big though almost the full width of the radiator openings

 

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Check the picture in 89civicdx's post. Look at the filter relocator thing at left. See those how there's two in/out pairs, and he's got one of them plugged? You can put the temp and pressure senders right in there.

My own cooler is a 19 row Mocal with permacool filter relocator fittings like those in that picture above. I used Aeroquip socketless hose to put it all together. The socketless hose is really trick but its kind of pricey.

If doing this on a B18C, getting the adapter spun onto the back of the block where the filter usually goes is a hateful, hateful job. You basically have to remove the intake manifold brace. The oil cooler I have to say was among the most hateful jobs I've ever done on the race car.

 

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94-95 GSR did. Same OE unit used on ITRs.

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anyone else care to comment on the effectiveness of these stock oil coolers? HF units can be bolted to D series engines too. i got one from the junkyard for $10. honda lists them for over $300....

hmmm upon closer inspection of the b series cooler, the spouts on the HF cooler arent nearly as big. i think the configuration is a bit different too, HF doesnt go directy into the block. but still, could it help more than hurt?




Modified by Tyson at 2:46 PM 9/2/2004

 

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anyone else care to comment on the effectiveness of these stock oil coolers? HF units can be bolted to D series engines too. i got one from the junkyard for $10. honda lists them for over $300....
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I'm curious on this too. I didn't even know HF's came with stock oil coolers? wtf, the HF gets an oil cooler and the Si doesn't???

 

Canton oil cooler and Canton remote filter.

 

Tyson: search, ya newb! haha just kidding.

I think the debate on oil coolers is one of those that will never, ever end. On one side, people say "rawr! you have an oil cooler! it's built in! you'll never need anything more! rawr!" And then there are those who say "i run penzzoil recycled dynosaur bones! my oil temps are reaching eleventy billion degrees! help! i'm melting!"

The oil-to-water coolers just help maintain some equilibrium between oil and water temps. If one is warmer than the other, the heat gets bled off into the opposite fluid. I think the only way to know if it helps in your case is to have a decent water temp gauge and an aftermarket oil temp gauge. Put on the cooler, see what happens. Take it off, or splice the water lines temporarily and see how the temps react. I've heard VW and Honda people alike, even with the same car, say it was better with and better without the oil-to-water heat exchanger. Who the heck knows...

-Adam

 

yeah, i can understand the argurment of the already hot coolant not really helping much to cool the oil. but im just wondering why would honda engineers bother to slap these things on their higher performing engines and not all of em. theres got to be a reasoning to that, or they wouldnt even bother with them at all. i guess im answering my own questions here.

 

Perhaps they cared more about quicker oil or coolant warmup in the fancy motors than they did for the standard motors? Or maybe they saved a buck by not bothering on the lesser motors?

In the VW world, there have been more than a few of those oil-to-water exchangers leaking or blowing up, resulting in a mixing of coolant and oil. It doesn't happen much anymore, but it was an issue at one time. I think that's reason enough to stay away from them if you don't already have one. If you need better oil cooling I would look for a nice external solution instead.
-Adam

 

Yeah i have a 96 GSR. Sorry forgot that the 94-95 did along with the type R, although i would replace it in a heart beat if i did.

Anyone try the B&M cooler?

 

Varo runs a Porsche 911 turbo oil cooler on his H1 car. Its off of a air cooled porsche. He says its better to run cool then hot. I use a B&M in my Celica and so Edik in his H4.

 

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Yeah its scary how much oil temps the Vtec's run. Spent some time with one of the boys From Aj's racing in B.C. and they were running into trouble as well.

Currently i have 190 whp, and well the lack of a oil cooler is not good imo. But then again i have driven this car at the track for 7 years and not a problem yet.

Got to admit i love acura. Complained about the oil consumption (which was nothing and was related to heat), and they rebuilt my engine under warranty just last fall, well was actually 2 days outside the extended warranty. So in other words i need to keep this engine in check as it was my only free bee.

 

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Modified by RStoR at 7:25 PM 9/2/2004

 

The heat in south Cali can kill even the best motor. Every one runs an oil cooler here but I notice that some people dont have an oil temp gage.