ok guys, i finalllllllllllllly found the car i am looking for! its an 03 white s2k with only 6k's miles for 27k's? good or no? very clean and beautiful! im soo excited. anyways back to the point of this thread. i am looking into the itb's for the past 6 or so months and now i cna finally do it but i was wondering what my very first mod should be on the car? tein RA's? advan RG's? Itb's? or what? i have t1r exhaust in mind and ems so forth. but what should i do first after about a month or so cuz i want to get the feel of the car almost perfect. thanks.

 

ITBs if you mean individual throttle bodies, is probably not the best first mod.

I think ITBs would best come after head and manifold porting and higher lift cams.

A good, first mod, if you want acceleration, would be a new final drive gearset. Stock is 4.1; there are 4.44, 4.57, and 4.77 available. I hear the 4.44 is a Mazda part and available through them. The 4.57 is a Ricmond gearset and is like $600. The 4.77 is used in the Kia Sportage and can be picked up through them for like $290! Many think the 4.77 is a little wild for the street, though.

intake and exhausts won't gain you anything impressive. many don't make power, they LOSE it. You've got an S2000 now, stay away from junk like DC, WeaponR, etc.

 

get the suspension first. it makes the biggest difference and changes the look of the car. the stock wheel gap is pretty bad IMO, and this needs to be addressed before anything else. the tein ra is a very good coilover setup. kg/mm springs with koni yellows are just as good but without the ride height adjustability.

 

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sure, if you want to sit back and look at the car all day. or else, the first thing that needs to be addressed is a driving school/autocross and of course.. tires tires tires. but what do I know? I prefer to drive my car.

 

drive the car first!

 

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another h-t usual response due to lack of reading or paying attention to paragraphs. this gets soo annoying when ppl DONT READ or they do but DON'T REALIZE WHAT THE POINT OF THE PARAGRAPH IS OR WHAT IS TRYING TO GET ACROSS. sorry had to say that cuz ppl on this website do that a lot! dont take it the wrong way tho. i was thinking itb's wont do much unless i have my ems, exhaust, and headers. cams, i have NO CLUE on what brand to get. i heard the toda cams kinda suck ***. other brands, i dont know of. i think 4.57's would be my best choice when it comes to the 4.77's and 4.44's cuz 4.77 might be TOO short. i think either RA's or the final drive would be my first. how much would it cost to get the 4.57's and installed for? also, what about the so2's? how are they? good or just the good decent sports tires?

 

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another h-t usual response due to lack of reading or paying attention to paragraphs. this gets soo annoying when ppl DONT READ or they do but DON'T REALIZE WHAT THE POINT OF THE PARAGRAPH IS OR WHAT IS TRYING TO GET ACROSS. sorry had to say that cuz ppl on this website do that a lot! dont take it the wrong way tho. i was thinking itb's wont do much unless i have my ems, exhaust, and headers. cams, i have NO CLUE on what brand to get. i heard the toda cams kinda suck ***. other brands, i dont know of. i think 4.57's would be my best choice when it comes to the 4.77's and 4.44's cuz 4.77 might be TOO short. i think either RA's or the final drive would be my first. how much would it cost to get the 4.57's and installed for? also, what about the so2's? how are they? good or just the good decent sports tires?</TD></TR></TABLE>

dude, don't get upset, you don't have the car yet and you're already thinking of mod'ing it. Get it first, drive it, and if the car is lacking and can't keep up with your talent, then start fixing it up to where you think it's lacking. Your posts keep reminding of a guy that wouldn't go away here and several times got banned.

 

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fantastic tire. but if used correctly, they are shot by 6K miles if not sooner. typically, you can get 10-12 out of them, but they will be bad.

do as suggested: drive the car first to see what needs to be done to it. otherwise, let's do the math here:
- gears + installation = estimating ~1200 bucks at best guess.
- exhaust varies in cost, but no less than 850 + shipping, so estimate 950-2200 depending on what you want. let's say you go with a comptech dual exhaust and spend 1000.
- ITB's - no idea how much, but not cheap.
- AEM EMS - list around 1800, you can get it for ~1300 + tuning at ~3-500, so, let's just average up for any other pieces you'd need in that to make it work and say 1800.

so, just right there, it's 1200 + 1000 + 1800 = $4K. for all of that you could save a few bucks, supercharge the darned thing and it will be fine fine fine. NA? Nah, it wouldn't be. But regardless, either way, you still wouldn't be any faster in the car, nor would you know how to drive it. Even if you are used to a sports car, or a modified car, you still do not understand track dynamics, and this is important when you are driving a car that is designed to perform, not a car that started out as a street going car and was transformed into a sports car (sorry for that ITR lovers, I dig em too, but this is what they are).

Just get it, drive it. You'll see.

 

sounds like a dreamer to me...

 

in my very first post i did say, ima drive it for a month or so untill i get the car down perfect, second, my cousin is in allmotorpacmans' crew that used to have the s2k so i know its not cheap and all i am going to get him to help me out but since i am not able to get in touch with him yet i am asking you guys for advice. my last car was a prelude and bone stock ran a 14.9. but thats a prelude, not an s2k thats why i said i want to drive it for about a month before i mod it so i get the feel of the car perfectly which will take more time cuz you always learn more and more about a car evreytime your driving. just cause i dont put that in my posts doesn't mean i dont know it yet. my simple question was, what mod should i do first and the conversation led to something else. i was thinking S/C but i dono if any FI it would be turbo but i dont want to deal with that in some ways but i love the n/a too. or it might just be beacuse of the itb's that i want to go that route. i dono. im suppose to get the car by monday hopeeeeeeeefully. i already drove the car, i love the handling of it. its an awesome car. the only thing i am worried about is you know how some honda motors are known as being "blessed" or whatever, i am worried the car wont make the power it should stock. its what around 201? or something? like the other guy on this board who has his car modded and dynoed it at i believe 183. i am scared of that. : / when i test drove it, it didn't seem as fast as my car but i am thinking it has to do with it sitting in the lot for a week or something w/out it being driven much or its cuz it hasn't really been broken in cuz it has only 5k's miles on it. it was a leased car from the previous owner. i dono guys the first thing ima do is go dyno it once i break in the motor and if the numbers aren't what they should be, ima be one depressed ******. lol my friend had an 03 s2k then blew his headgasket and had warranty change the motor and he even said this new motor is a bit weaker than the older one where he could feel a big diff. btw them. i dono. &lt;lost

 

As long as you go into it knowing its not really a fast car to begin with, youll be fine. I doubt all the tools who hammer back with learn to drive it first know how to drive all that well. Honestly, who even cares, this is what i do and tell people to do. Think as long term as you can for the car, realize that if you like fast fast NA is not the route you really wanna take with this car. If your not looking for anything faster then what the best NA can offer, cool, but if you are dont dick around now buying intakes and such, budget for your goals, and buy/plan accordingly. This way you arent wasting time or money. Whatever you do, do it practically and do it right the first time. Nothing is more frustrating then someone complaining about thier NA s2000 not feeling fast enough, its like hey you knew the route to make it fast, you prob have spent more then that route would have cost, now we have to listen to you b*tch cause it didnt meet your expectations like u knew it wouldnt in the first place. Sorry, just find that very annoying.

 

wow your straight out stupid. i said STOCK from the factory cuz they dont all put out the NUMBERS they should.

 

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what should they put out?

or are you referring to the varying dynos from 185-205rwhp?

 

You ask us what you should do, we tell you what we think you should do. Don't complain that its not what you want.

One month is not enough time to learn to drive the car really well, unless maybe you're out on the track every day, or you've been racing someone elses for a while. First mod, IMO, should be a set of wheels (stock s2k wheels are good, and will never bump you out of stock class) with r-compound tires (Plus some way to get them to the track). This will help autox times dramtically, which is a good place to learn how to drive the car properly.

Also different dyno's will yield different numbers on different days. It doesn't nessisarily mean one is faster than the other

IMO you shouldn't have to ask what to mod, if you have to you aren't ready. Spend time researching what you want the car to do, and what components can make it do that. In the mean time you can enjoy the car stock. It's a fun car to drive even without ITBs or 12psi boost. More than likely this is a dream post anyway.

 

RS2G, this is hilarious. you do the SAME thing in every thread. ask vague questions, jump all over the map, use horrible grammar, complain about Honda-tech, and bash anyone that tries to help. what is your deal? seriously.

you did the exact same thing in a thread you made about turbos. if you wanted all out power you should've bought an LS1.

 

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A: Are you talking to me?

B: If so, what the hell are you talking about. Im talking about your general approach, ALL s2000s are slow factory freaks or not, before modification.

 

no i am not jumping on ppl, i am jumping on ppl that are saying drive the car when i ALREADY POSTED that SEVERAL times. i ALREADY said it takes TIME and ppl continue to say that the point is i ALREADY know that, so the next step is WHAT mod to do first. get it? you guys aren't answering the question i need help with. and by the way, w/out dreams you will NEVER succeed or reach goals or your dreams. how can you reach a dream when you dont have one? exactly you can't. if this is a dream, i will reach it or i can TRY to reach it. if i DONT have a dream then i wouldn't REACH it cuz i wouldn't care and i would be satisfied. and the dyno numbers, i AM talking about the 185-202whp stock. for instance, some put out lets say 200 some put out 190 stock dyno. i am scared that it might be one of the 190's and not the lucky 200 you know? you guys are taking this the wrong way.

 

even the thread about the aem ems i posted, my friend read it and HE even said ppl on here reply so rudely and are too cocky. thats the problem. its not just ME that thinks that, its MANY ppl and the ppl that do respond like that are the ones who are always here or have been for a long time.

 

You asked how to go fast, i told you. THink of your end goal and work toward it. if its to make this car fast, start buying.saving for turbo parts. If its to have another 30 whp and spend the same amount of money as turbo and be NA, go for it.

 

i didn't ask how to go fast tho, i said what should i do first, put on RA's? buy advan RG"s? or mods.

 

take your foot out of your mouth for a second.

all this this guy made more than this guy on the dyno and this guy only made 183. well thats all horse ****.

every single dyno reads different. every kind of dyno reads different as well. if you took one car on the dyno one day, its gonna read different then the next day w/ the same dyno. heat the car up, heat soak the **** out of it, it will lose 7-10 hp easy.

sure there are variances, but chances are, the stock cars are going to be very close to each other.

 

ok. that was comforting. you couldn't say that before! loll

 

You asked what to do first, im saying, get a goddamn plan before you spend money on worthless ****.

 

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sure, if you want to sit back and look at the car all day. or else, the first thing that needs to be addressed is a driving school/autocross and of course.. tires tires tires. but what do I know? I prefer to drive my car.
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dude please save that bs to yourself, i can outdrive you any day of the week and look good while doing it. btw i never said you have to modify the supsension just to look good, the stock suspension has a lot of room for improvement.

you act like you're the god of driving

 

i dono if razor is bashing on me or bagel but thats how ppl are around here. very COCKY cuz they think since they have been on H-T for such a long time they know it all and have all the right to say what they want to but when someone disagrees everyone jumps on the bandwagon and agrees wiht the person thats been on this website for the past 5 years of their life. thats why we have arguments on this board, ppl are too cocky and dont like to answer the question that is being asked and instead say things that have NOTHING to do with what the meaning of the paragraph is. its cuz ppl worry so ******* much about the grammar and things that are POINTLESS and they dont pay that attention into the point of the whole paragraph and get off topic. and its not only me, like i said my friend read the AEM EMS one i posted for the first time and he even said ppl are too cocky here and rude.