Recently aquired a B16B- How would you build it?
I just bought a B16b longblock from a friend of mine and am trying to decide what I should do with it. I want to put it in a 92-95 hatch,which I will hopefully buy in the next year...
Im thinking about putting my old ITR crank and rods with the PCT pistons and basicly stroke it to make it a ITR motor OR should I keep it 1.6 and be able to rev the **** out of it.(Ive always wanted a 10k engine
)
If I re-use the PCT pistons,it wont increase compression with the ITR crank, will it?
I already have Jun 3's w/ valvetrain in my current engine so I could use those and turbo my current engine since its already sleeved.
But I heard that the CTR cams have to much duration on the intake cam which is bad for turbocharging? Cant I use adj. gears to dial out some overlap for turbo use?
Basicly my questions are these...
Should I stroke the CTR into an ITR?
Will compression change with the stroke increase?
I know its the wrong forum,but are CTR cams OK for turbo?
What would you do if this was your engine?
I think around 210-220whp in an EG sould yield low 12's couldnt it?
Thanks for all the input and suggestions
Im thinking about putting my old ITR crank and rods with the PCT pistons and basicly stroke it to make it a ITR motor OR should I keep it 1.6 and be able to rev the **** out of it.(Ive always wanted a 10k engine
)If I re-use the PCT pistons,it wont increase compression with the ITR crank, will it?
I already have Jun 3's w/ valvetrain in my current engine so I could use those and turbo my current engine since its already sleeved.
But I heard that the CTR cams have to much duration on the intake cam which is bad for turbocharging? Cant I use adj. gears to dial out some overlap for turbo use?
Basicly my questions are these...
Should I stroke the CTR into an ITR?
Will compression change with the stroke increase?
I know its the wrong forum,but are CTR cams OK for turbo?
What would you do if this was your engine?
I think around 210-220whp in an EG sould yield low 12's couldnt it?
Thanks for all the input and suggestions
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PyroProblem »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I just bought a B16b longblock from a friend of mine and am trying to decide what I should do with it. I want to put it in a 92-95 hatch,which I will hopefully buy in the next year...
Im thinking about putting my old ITR crank and rods with the PCT pistons and basicly stroke it to make it a ITR motor OR should I keep it 1.6 and be able to rev the **** out of it.(Ive always wanted a 10k engine
)
If I re-use the PCT pistons,it wont increase compression with the ITR crank, will it?
I already have Jun 3's w/ valvetrain in my current engine so I could use those and turbo my current engine since its already sleeved.
But I heard that the CTR cams have to much duration on the intake cam which is bad for turbocharging? Cant I use adj. gears to dial out some overlap for turbo use?
Basicly my questions are these...
Should I stroke the CTR into an ITR?
Will compression change with the stroke increase?
I know its the wrong forum,but are CTR cams OK for turbo?
What would you do if this was your engine?
I think around 210-220whp in an EG sould yield low 12's couldnt it?
Thanks for all the input and suggestions
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compression will shoot up to 11.8:1 with the ITR crank. THat's okay though since June 3s llove higher compression.
CTR cams are okay for turbo. plenty turbo ITRs with great numbers.
Revving to 10k is not recommended unless you make power that high...especially if you dont have a properly built engine.
Im thinking about putting my old ITR crank and rods with the PCT pistons and basicly stroke it to make it a ITR motor OR should I keep it 1.6 and be able to rev the **** out of it.(Ive always wanted a 10k engine
)If I re-use the PCT pistons,it wont increase compression with the ITR crank, will it?
I already have Jun 3's w/ valvetrain in my current engine so I could use those and turbo my current engine since its already sleeved.
But I heard that the CTR cams have to much duration on the intake cam which is bad for turbocharging? Cant I use adj. gears to dial out some overlap for turbo use?
Basicly my questions are these...
Should I stroke the CTR into an ITR?
Will compression change with the stroke increase?
I know its the wrong forum,but are CTR cams OK for turbo?
What would you do if this was your engine?
I think around 210-220whp in an EG sould yield low 12's couldnt it?
Thanks for all the input and suggestions
</TD></TR></TABLE>compression will shoot up to 11.8:1 with the ITR crank. THat's okay though since June 3s llove higher compression.
CTR cams are okay for turbo. plenty turbo ITRs with great numbers.
Revving to 10k is not recommended unless you make power that high...especially if you dont have a properly built engine.
even if you keep the 1.6 i dont think you should be reving to 10k, everyone loves to say yeah i wanna rev this sucka to 10k maybe 11k but are you making power up there and at what cost are you gonna make power at 10k, loose all your low,mid range daily driving hp/tq just to have a nice peak number, 10k leads to headaches in the long run,even with the 1.6 nice stroke ratio it still doesnt mean your rings will handle this everytime you rev up there.
so i say stroke it to 1.8 with the gsr/itr crank and rev it to a more safe 8500 and make power everywhere on the rpm band with that
so i say stroke it to 1.8 with the gsr/itr crank and rev it to a more safe 8500 and make power everywhere on the rpm band with that
Ive seen Jun 3's make power almost up to 10k(I.B. I think), but that was with a head and manifolds that were ported to make power that high,and a fullt built bottom end.
Ok,Ive decided to stroke it.What do you guys think about using the 89mm crank over the 87.2?
This is what I have in my current engine and I have eagle rods to go with it too,although I think the Eagles may be overkill and may even do more harm than good due to the increased weight.
From what Ive seen,89mm cranks usually make a tad more torque and power a little bit sooner in the powerband than 87.2 ones...Good idea?
Ok,Ive decided to stroke it.What do you guys think about using the 89mm crank over the 87.2?
This is what I have in my current engine and I have eagle rods to go with it too,although I think the Eagles may be overkill and may even do more harm than good due to the increased weight.
From what Ive seen,89mm cranks usually make a tad more torque and power a little bit sooner in the powerband than 87.2 ones...Good idea?
Using more heavy duty rods is never overkill. Always wanna be on the safe side. I say use the 89mm crank. You will have a more useable powerband, and the LS crank is actually lighter than the ITR crank. With jun 3's you will make useably power till about 8700 I would think. Good luck.
I would get this and sell my old parts. I know it says spoon but it is all oem honda that has been balanced. I am totally against reusing pistons (but hey that is me, I consider them a wear item like rings). Sell your ITR crank and rods (hey i'll buy the rods
) to help offset some of the cost.
http://www.inlinefour.com/spoon18lstro.html
) to help offset some of the cost.http://www.inlinefour.com/spoon18lstro.html
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I think Im just gonna use my ITR crank and rods and put the CTR pistons on them.
I have them lying around so I might as well put them to good use.
The Spoon stroker kit looks nice and all but Its just OEM parts that have been balanced right? I think Spoon is a little overrated personally...
So I think the final build up will be a B16B block with...
87.2mm ITR crank
ITR rods
PCT pistons
CTR head w/Jun 3's and valvetrain
Hondata IM gasket
The engine didnt come with a throttle body or injectors, but I have an STR 68mm TB and RC 370's.
Think the 68mmTB will work well with this setup?
Will stock injectors work as well or should I use my 370's or maybe find some Prelude injectors...
I want to get everything all planned out first. I think I have all the parts for a pretty nice setup,I will just need to get Hondata or AEM EMS.
I will also be in the market for a nice used EG in a couple months...
Thanks for the suggestions and comments
I have them lying around so I might as well put them to good use.
The Spoon stroker kit looks nice and all but Its just OEM parts that have been balanced right? I think Spoon is a little overrated personally...
So I think the final build up will be a B16B block with...
87.2mm ITR crank
ITR rods
PCT pistons
CTR head w/Jun 3's and valvetrain
Hondata IM gasket
The engine didnt come with a throttle body or injectors, but I have an STR 68mm TB and RC 370's.
Think the 68mmTB will work well with this setup?
Will stock injectors work as well or should I use my 370's or maybe find some Prelude injectors...
I want to get everything all planned out first. I think I have all the parts for a pretty nice setup,I will just need to get Hondata or AEM EMS.
I will also be in the market for a nice used EG in a couple months...
Thanks for the suggestions and comments
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