Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this shit?
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From: Snowwhitepillowformybigfathead
Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****?
Remember back before you had a race car....
Before you had a car...
Before you wanted a car...
Before you had a bicycle...
Before you wanted a bicycle....
Before you even saw or wanted a toy...
I guess we really can't go back past when we were crying for something to eat.
But that's probably how far we have to go to get out of the "want" mentality - which we exaggerate into some of our needs.
I need fresh tires more often.
I need super trick dampers.
I need to race more often.
I need to be worshiped by the lesser mortals.
You know - all that.
Sometimes when I watch celebrity bio's on VH-1 I shake my head and think "how could they let it come to that". Needing relief from the pain of not being on the high of performing for and being adored by thousands.
And then I think about how badly we want what we want sometimes and how satisfying the want ironically leaves us wanting the wanting.
It's screwy isn't it?
You know what I'm talking about right? It's not just me?
Here I go again - you knew this was coming:
The winner mentality is a useful assistant in this perverse cycle.
Ah - ah - ah! So's the racer mentality, the competitor mentality, the participant mentality.
Just because you don't have it as bad doesn't mean you don't have it.
There was a nice passage in a 750MC club book to the effect that on some particular day the Clubmen had to look out for so-and-so because he had good tires this day for a change. The tone suggested something less serious, more human, and more likeable about their collective philosophy.
This wanting/needing thing is crazy.
I need a plastic rear window - I really do. It will be really hard to get over it unless I do it. But I know there will always be the next thing.
And it being the case that there will always be the next thing, and having been thru it many times, I can't help but wonder how important wanting the next thing is to keeping the whole enterprise running.
Think about it - you wouldn't even be doing any of this without the want/need dynamic.
And then to think that you just control it and mind a budget easy as you please seems kind of ridiculous.
Not that you don't have real budgetary constraints - but you'll be up hard against them the whole time. And once you're not motivated that much, it's a pretty short stroll to complete abandonment.
This isn't just theory - I've seen it, and you probably have too.
What you tell yourself as you walk away could be anything. I don't know that we truly know why we do much of what we do - beyond whatever "I like it" means.
Scott, who is still searching for an intellectually defensible rationale for this madness...like OJ is still looking for the real murderer...
Before you had a car...
Before you wanted a car...
Before you had a bicycle...
Before you wanted a bicycle....
Before you even saw or wanted a toy...
I guess we really can't go back past when we were crying for something to eat.
But that's probably how far we have to go to get out of the "want" mentality - which we exaggerate into some of our needs.
I need fresh tires more often.
I need super trick dampers.
I need to race more often.
I need to be worshiped by the lesser mortals.
You know - all that.
Sometimes when I watch celebrity bio's on VH-1 I shake my head and think "how could they let it come to that". Needing relief from the pain of not being on the high of performing for and being adored by thousands.
And then I think about how badly we want what we want sometimes and how satisfying the want ironically leaves us wanting the wanting.
It's screwy isn't it?
You know what I'm talking about right? It's not just me?
Here I go again - you knew this was coming:
The winner mentality is a useful assistant in this perverse cycle.
Ah - ah - ah! So's the racer mentality, the competitor mentality, the participant mentality.
Just because you don't have it as bad doesn't mean you don't have it.
There was a nice passage in a 750MC club book to the effect that on some particular day the Clubmen had to look out for so-and-so because he had good tires this day for a change. The tone suggested something less serious, more human, and more likeable about their collective philosophy.
This wanting/needing thing is crazy.
I need a plastic rear window - I really do. It will be really hard to get over it unless I do it. But I know there will always be the next thing.
And it being the case that there will always be the next thing, and having been thru it many times, I can't help but wonder how important wanting the next thing is to keeping the whole enterprise running.
Think about it - you wouldn't even be doing any of this without the want/need dynamic.
And then to think that you just control it and mind a budget easy as you please seems kind of ridiculous.
Not that you don't have real budgetary constraints - but you'll be up hard against them the whole time. And once you're not motivated that much, it's a pretty short stroll to complete abandonment.
This isn't just theory - I've seen it, and you probably have too.
What you tell yourself as you walk away could be anything. I don't know that we truly know why we do much of what we do - beyond whatever "I like it" means.
Scott, who is still searching for an intellectually defensible rationale for this madness...like OJ is still looking for the real murderer...
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (RR98ITR)
not that I have anything particularly insightful (or remotely related to racing) to contribute here, but while reading this post, an old cliche saw kept popping into my head:
"The key to hapiness is to want what you have, NOT having what you want"
or someting like that.
Guess I'll never be happy - and neither will you Scott. Just go take your Prozac and accept it. Then go race. Or plant flowers in the car, or... order some new dampers or something.
"The key to hapiness is to want what you have, NOT having what you want"
or someting like that.
Guess I'll never be happy - and neither will you Scott. Just go take your Prozac and accept it. Then go race. Or plant flowers in the car, or... order some new dampers or something.
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (RR98ITR)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by RR98ITR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I need a plastic rear window - I really do. It will be really hard to get over it unless I do it. But I know there will always be the next thing.</TD></TR></TABLE>
This statement just really - I don't know how to say it but thats exactly how I feel about my car. There will always be the next thing.
I think there's a Buddhist thing about this that says "Desire is the root of all suffering" or something.
This statement just really - I don't know how to say it but thats exactly how I feel about my car. There will always be the next thing.
I think there's a Buddhist thing about this that says "Desire is the root of all suffering" or something.
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (SJR)
Just about everything around us runs on want, so I'll continue to go with the flow.
What? Me Happy?
I was pretty happy last night making chips till I discovered I need to replace one of my tool holders. Different thing, same story.
Scott, who has started some new even more expensive hobbies lately....lawyers, engineers, contractors...I think I was happier when my biggest problem was what shock to buy...
What? Me Happy?
I was pretty happy last night making chips till I discovered I need to replace one of my tool holders. Different thing, same story.
Scott, who has started some new even more expensive hobbies lately....lawyers, engineers, contractors...I think I was happier when my biggest problem was what shock to buy...
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (spaceman)
What is the ultimate answer to the ultimate question of life, the universe and everything?
(Hint: Google "answer to life the universe and everything")
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(Hint: Google "answer to life the universe and everything")
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (madhatter)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by madhatter »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But the question, Kirk....?
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how many roads must a man walk down?
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how many roads must a man walk down?
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (madhatter)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by madhatter »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">But the question, Kirk....?
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what's 6 times 7?
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what's 6 times 7?
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (SJR)
Scott, does this ring a bell?
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you thinking of saying something like "It's all in your head anyway, so just think happy thoughts"? Well stick that up your ***. It's not how real people really work.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you've gotten this far you might as well ask yourself what makes your eyelids pop open every morning. I've always wondered, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around to hear it....
You get the picture.
Andrew, who's going out to put a new fancy battery in his car and those new gauge pods, and those new cables, and that... oh, whatever.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Are you thinking of saying something like "It's all in your head anyway, so just think happy thoughts"? Well stick that up your ***. It's not how real people really work.</TD></TR></TABLE>
If you've gotten this far you might as well ask yourself what makes your eyelids pop open every morning. I've always wondered, if a tree falls in the forest and nobody's around to hear it....
You get the picture.
Andrew, who's going out to put a new fancy battery in his car and those new gauge pods, and those new cables, and that... oh, whatever.
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (RR98ITR)
How does this apply to those who have the ability to get all of their wants?
I agree, that most of the people on this forum are not in a financial situation to satisfy all of their wants when it comes to racing. However, some people have the money to do so, at that point what is their "wants"?
I agree, that most of the people on this forum are not in a financial situation to satisfy all of their wants when it comes to racing. However, some people have the money to do so, at that point what is their "wants"?
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (StyleTEG)
I think when you get to the point that you can get "all that you want" you start wanting things that don't exist....
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (asoduk)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by asoduk »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I think when you get to the point that you can get "all that you want" you start wanting things that don't exist....</TD></TR></TABLE>
Or wanting things that money cant buy. You will never have everything that you want. If someone accomplishes this please tell me how.
Or wanting things that money cant buy. You will never have everything that you want. If someone accomplishes this please tell me how.
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (JDMTYPER)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMTYPER »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
please tell me how.</TD></TR></TABLE>
please tell me how.</TD></TR></TABLE>
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (RR98ITR)
One of the reasons I've more or less left my car alone as far as suspension and engine - there's always something else, very slippery slope indeed....
I mean, If I just buy that damn header I think I really need... could be the first step down to the abysmal abyss... And then all I have to show about is marigolds in my hatch like Rinde
I mean, If I just buy that damn header I think I really need... could be the first step down to the abysmal abyss... And then all I have to show about is marigolds in my hatch like Rinde
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (WRXRacer11
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This coming from the guy who has a perfectly second car sitting around his house for no apparent reason?
This coming from the guy who has a perfectly second car sitting around his house for no apparent reason?
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (RR98ITR)
Magazine companies have built an entire empire based on this principle.
"I didn't even know it existed until I saw it in that magazine but now I 'need' it"
Christian philosophy is that that "need" is a God shaped void that will never be satisfied until it's filled with Jesus Christ. But you guys probably don't want to make this a religious debate.
However, I was watching this show on TV one time that was trying to define happiness and what it takes to get it and who are the happiest people in the US. Their conclusion was the key to happiness was contentment and by that deffinition the happiest people in the US were the Amish (sp?).
Think about it, most rich people are misserable from the stresses of dealing with their money.
"I didn't even know it existed until I saw it in that magazine but now I 'need' it"
Christian philosophy is that that "need" is a God shaped void that will never be satisfied until it's filled with Jesus Christ. But you guys probably don't want to make this a religious debate.
However, I was watching this show on TV one time that was trying to define happiness and what it takes to get it and who are the happiest people in the US. Their conclusion was the key to happiness was contentment and by that deffinition the happiest people in the US were the Amish (sp?).
Think about it, most rich people are misserable from the stresses of dealing with their money.
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (thumpu77)
amish? difinatly not my life style choice...lol i dont see any amish racers..being optimistic helps in life..this is an interesting thread but not much about road racing doods...
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (spaceman)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by spaceman »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">amish? difinatly not my life style choice...lol i dont see any amish racers..being optimistic helps in life..this is an interesting thread but not much about road racing doods...</TD></TR></TABLE>
this statement is TOTALLY wrong!
i live about 20 minutes from Lancaster, PA. thus, i tend to see lots and lots of buggies, etc., when i head out that way. many of the younger menfolk have what i consider to be "hotrod" buggies. these are basically stripped down, two wheeled carts (light weight). then they purchase a slightly lame or otherwise broken down standardbred racehorse (trotter) from the auction for peanuts. rehab him and make him as suitable as possible for street duty. i've seen these guys "racing" each other in the evenings; no ****!
todd
this statement is TOTALLY wrong!
i live about 20 minutes from Lancaster, PA. thus, i tend to see lots and lots of buggies, etc., when i head out that way. many of the younger menfolk have what i consider to be "hotrod" buggies. these are basically stripped down, two wheeled carts (light weight). then they purchase a slightly lame or otherwise broken down standardbred racehorse (trotter) from the auction for peanuts. rehab him and make him as suitable as possible for street duty. i've seen these guys "racing" each other in the evenings; no ****!
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Re: Have you ever stopped to think about how it is you come to "need" some of this ****? (Todd Reid)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Todd Reid »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">this statement is TOTALLY wrong!
i live about 20 minutes from Lancaster, PA. thus, i tend to see lots and lots of buggies, etc., when i head out that way. many of the younger menfolk have what i consider to be "hotrod" buggies. these are basically stripped down, two wheeled carts (light weight). then they purchase a slightly lame or otherwise broken down standardbred racehorse (trotter) from the auction for peanuts. rehab him and make him as suitable as possible for street duty. i've seen these guys "racing" each other in the evenings; no ****!
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ROFL!! Amish street racing!
i live about 20 minutes from Lancaster, PA. thus, i tend to see lots and lots of buggies, etc., when i head out that way. many of the younger menfolk have what i consider to be "hotrod" buggies. these are basically stripped down, two wheeled carts (light weight). then they purchase a slightly lame or otherwise broken down standardbred racehorse (trotter) from the auction for peanuts. rehab him and make him as suitable as possible for street duty. i've seen these guys "racing" each other in the evenings; no ****!
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ROFL!! Amish street racing!
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Goddamn amish ricers. 
The way I look at it is there is always going to be something that I am going to want. I think that I am different from most Americans in that I decided ahead of time what I want instead of buying that big screen tv i saw an ad for. I decided on a certain set of goals, buy an itr, mod it, start racing and i've planned out how to accomplish those goals. As long as you remain consistent to those goals, and plan your money accordingly, whats the harm in buying that plastic window?
Everyone needs a hobby, since we are here its obvious we have chosen this as our hobby, and as long as you plan your money right and don't choose a hobby that is beyond your means, it won't become an unhealthy thing.
The way I look at it is there is always going to be something that I am going to want. I think that I am different from most Americans in that I decided ahead of time what I want instead of buying that big screen tv i saw an ad for. I decided on a certain set of goals, buy an itr, mod it, start racing and i've planned out how to accomplish those goals. As long as you remain consistent to those goals, and plan your money accordingly, whats the harm in buying that plastic window?
Everyone needs a hobby, since we are here its obvious we have chosen this as our hobby, and as long as you plan your money right and don't choose a hobby that is beyond your means, it won't become an unhealthy thing.
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Tuesday, June 4
3 Amish men charged in buggy race, crash
Three young Amish men have been charged in a late-night buggy race in the Town of Leon in which a collision with a fourth buggy left a horse dead.
The charges were announced Sunday after a weeklong investigation of the May 19 accident by the Cattaraugus County Sheriff's Department. Deputies were called to the scene after a dead horse and smashed buggy were found in a ditch on Riga Road last Monday.
Deputies said the three men from Leon were racing their buggies south on Riga Road at 11 p.m. when they crested a knoll and encountered a northbound buggy driven by Eli D. Miller, 17, of Napoli. The unsuspecting Miller collided with the horse and buggy driven by Jacob E. Wengerd, 17, of Route 62, deputies said. Wengerd's horse was killed, and Miller's horse suffered cuts to its legs and chest, deputies added.