http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/lm1.php

the software looks nice, and it datta logs right on the unit to be viewed at a later time. Just wanting to get a few opinions on this, cause I can get it for a pretty good deal.

 

anyone have any feedback on this?

thanks,

YV

 

go on over to the forced induction forum, there's a lot of threads about all the different widebands out now

 

I want to know more about this

 

its a great wideband. dont bother buying the aux inputs, they are garbage. I used the innovate wideband with uberdata with the datalogging function and it kicked ***. until my ******* car got stolen with everything in it. *******... good wideband though.

 

The innovate lm-1 is spectacular!

With the rpm converter, you can plot rpm vs. afr. Not only has this unit made me a better tuner on the track, but it has real time data on the screen, and can also show shift points in each gear.

It can also perform afr function for gasoline, methanol, ethanol, CNG and propane. The calibration function can give you worthwhile data for different elevations. 44 minutes of data? Wonderful! I cannot believe how this unit offers so much for the price. I love mine!

 

bisi- i was under the impressino that widebands were not capable of measureing methanol afr, and that EGT temps were used instead of afr.

can u help me understand a little better?

and what afr are u shooting for when running alcohol?

thnx

 

Will this wide-band be useful if only using Chipped ECU and SAFC 2 with my setup?

 

I love mine too... we used it with Hondata last friday and it worked great.

 

innovate wideband is complete garbage there cool at first and then they take a **** on you if you want a real wideband get a fjo wideband they are the best

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by hybrid_vtec &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Will this wide-band be useful if only using Chipped ECU and SAFC 2 with my setup?</TD></TR></TABLE>
wideband O2 is useful if you have carbs and run vegetable oil...
other words, it's essential.
stan<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by fuccarlos &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">innovate wideband is complete garbage there cool at first and then they take a **** on you if you want a real wideband get a fjo wideband they are the best </TD></TR></TABLE>

is that from personal experience? care to share it?
stan

 

well to start off with the sensor they send you doesnt last very long at all on two seperate units the sensor went out on one and the acutual unit itself started going crazy within two days of using it on the dyno and plus it doesnt have real time data logging you have to log it first and then disconnect it and hook it up to your computer to pull the log file from it which is a long process to long for me to be sitting there switching **** around just to see a graph get one youll see soon enough then you will want to get an fjo.

 

see i have no freakin clue why ANYONE would want a wideband that does not do realtime logging. these units that display the o2 as a # on a screen that really blows. thats like watching your rpms on a vafc display.

get a zeitronix, save some cash, and get realtime logging for DAYS AND DAYS, along with EGT,boost,tps logging along with your rpm.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by johnzm &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">see i have no freakin clue why ANYONE would want a wideband that does not do realtime logging. these units that display the o2 as a # on a screen that really blows. </TD></TR></TABLE>

Try downloading their latest software for the LM-1.
http://www.innovatemotorsports...d.php

Logworks displays everything in realtime. It's very good.

 

You can realtime log through the analog output. If you run hondata you can real time log with map tracing over your target lamda and adjust the fuel curve with the target and logged maps overlayed. The only issue I have is gettin the voltage in the hondata to read the same as the voltage out on the box. I'm told its a ground resistance prob.

 

you can do the same with the fjo and hondata supports the fjo wideband so everything is already set in the hondata make the autotune a breeze

 

I like my LM-1. Use it to make a third gear full throttle pull and datalog the A/F. Download the graph to my PC, look at the A/F and make changes in my A/F maps (Hondata). You can use the analog outputs to datalog in Hondata in realtime, but I have not gotten around to that yet.

 

anyone have any feeedback on the sensor provided?

oxygen sensor (Bosch LSU4.2),

How long should these things last?

thanks,

YV

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can realtime log through the analog output. If you run hondata you can real time log with map tracing over your target lamda and adjust the fuel curve with the target and logged maps overlayed. The only issue I have is gettin the voltage in the hondata to read the same as the voltage out on the box. I'm told its a ground resistance prob.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ok me and my buddy ce here on HT had no problem with that last friday. We just used his old graf from his wideband. http://www.wbo2.com/2a0/afrlin.gif
Just program analog 2 with the lowest and highest (x,y) value from that graf and write the values in Hondata. I have mounted the LM-1 to the ECU harness and use SG2 as reference. Try that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by youngvedder &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">anyone have any feeedback on the sensor provided?

oxygen sensor (Bosch LSU4.2),

How long should these things last?

thanks,

YV</TD></TR></TABLE>

i gues fuccarlos has had bad experience. the sensor is not proprietary or special. It's a very common sensor that's used on the VW and Audi 1.8T engines so it's very easy to get and quite cheap.


<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Tbone &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">You can realtime log through the analog output. If you run hondata you can real time log with map tracing over your target lamda and adjust the fuel curve with the target and logged maps overlayed. The only issue I have is gettin the voltage in the hondata to read the same as the voltage out on the box. I'm told its a ground resistance prob.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Tom, you've had that problem with the cable I made? I found that doing it that way and grounding the wideband at the same point that the original O2 had was giving me identical voltage outputs. Also remember that honda ecu's don't ready any voltages over 3.85V on that 02 signal input line. So, if you have your wideband table set to afr values that are higher than 3.85V it won't read it. It won't error, it will just output the value that 3.85V equals even though the afr might actually be higher. So, set your max voltage vs. afr reading to max out at 3.85V.

Do a search for this topic. THis particular wideband has been covered several times. I agree realtime afr datalogging is nice, but I don't need the wideband for that functionality. Hondata does it for me and gives me all the other info I want. No need for the wideband to realtime datalog for my purposes. I haven't used the new software package or upgraded to the new firmware, but it seems like a big change. Maybe they added realtime datalogging.

s

 

What do you guys mean by it having no "real-time datalogging"?

doesn't the display show you what your AF ratio is in real-time? This so you can release the throttle (while on the dyno) should you see your car leaning-out. Isn't that the purpose of a WBo2, so you don't blow your motor while tuning?

 

yeah it shows the a/f in real time but are you really gonna memorize each rpm point and what the air fuel was at each incriment the innovate process of pulling up a graph to go through and see where you are running lean is quite exstensive and a waste of time

 

I get it . So what other widebands have this function? (RPM vs. AFR in real time)

 

I really wish that they would just make a inductive pickup that would plug straight into the box.

That way there would be no excess wiring, and you could log RPMS straight to the unit.

Thats my only complaint...


Modified by Bryson at 3:56 PM 10/6/2004

 

fjo has it i think plx has it to