Anyone have any further info? I loooked around the SCCA site, i didnt find much...

 

The ITR and the WRX are moving to D-stock next year. I'm still looking for the official publication of the changes...

 

Here's the *official* word

http://www.scca.org/news/fastrack/01-10.pdf

 

Yeah, kinda old news, but it wasn't finalized when it was published in August/Sept.

According to many veteran ITR autoX-ers (Hracer, etc.), ITR will still reign in the DStock class. Also, WRX is never a threat in stock form vs. ITR at autoX meets. (modded WRX is a different story.) However, IS300 and Celica GTS could be fast!


[Edit} List of DStock competitors (off of type801's link)[/Edit]
1. Acura Integra typeR
2. Audi S4 ('00+) (A4 chassis)
3. Audi TT (180hp single intercoler)
4. BMW 3 series 6 cyl. sedans NOC
5. Dodge Daytona IROC R/T
6. Honda Prelude VTEC engine models (all)
7. Lexus IS300
8. Misubishi/DSM Eclipse/Talon Turbo
9. Subaru WRX
10. Toyota Celica GTS ('00+)


[Modified by Cosworth, 9:51 AM 12/4/2001]

 

Anybody want to buy a pair of "GS" magnets

*edit* DS trades accepted, heh.


[Modified by ITR#231, 9:48 AM 12/4/2001]

 

I also have a pair of reg GS magnets to get rid of. One of you Prelude, GS-R & Civic Si drivers in GS should buy me a pair of red DS magnetic stickers in exchange for my GS stickers.

jmb

 

why did they move the ITR to DS??

 

DS is now a fast class. The cars in DS:
ITR
WRX - understeers heavily and turbo lag
Audi S4 - fast but heavy car, hard to set up correctly, but can be a threat
Celica GTS - on paper seems to be an outstanding car, but I have never seen or heard of one doing well in autocross
Lexus IS300 - this car handles great in the correct hands. Five-speed or auto, doesn't matter. But the five-speed has a tighter suspension.

The above cars were just too good against the Contour SVT, Volks Passat, Camaro V6, Mazda MX-6, etc. etc.

I think the classes are a little more equalized now. But, in stock form, the ITR is hard to beat. I have paxed first once and top ten raw and pax times numerous times. A stock ITR with stock suspension and the correct tires is an amazing car in autocross.

 

davidnyc - are you running slicks? If so, what size are you running? I definitely think, I'll need to pick one up if I want to be competive in our region.

 

'cuz ITR kicked everyone's *** in GS. IS300 was the only competition... which also is in DStock now.

 

The GT-S Celica's always do well here in Atlanta. The owners i've seen are very good drivers - and YES they've run better times than me and the ITRs I've seen out there.

I heard the Celica GT is classed better though?

Anyways, just saying that I've seen the Celica's do VERY well - not that I even like them or anything...

BTW: the Scoobies do very shitty from every time I've seen them compete. Hell I even saw one guy SMASH his into the big blue wall at the old Fulton Co. Stadium site in Atlanta. Too heavy? Shitty drivers? WHAT gives?

 

I haven't seen a stock classed GT-S run in ATL region. All are modded with suspension upgrades + some slicks. Hracer (Alex) crushes modded GT-S with his stock ITR with slicks. And, yeah, I suck for now... but will learn.

 

i think davidnyc runs kumho v700s

 

Because the Type R never belonged there in GS in the first place.


[Modified by typer_801, 5:00 PM 12/4/2001]

 

I've got some large 8 or 9" red "GSR" Magnets for sale then too. I'm not positive if SCCA will accept "R" for rookie or novice next year but that what I used this year. (easily cut to become GS) They are brand new, used twice, profesionally made.

 

The ITR was the fastest car in GS (the GS "prepped" DSMs are just about as quick though) plus with the new WRX being introduced, they had to make another class. Since the S4 was outgunned in AS it's also been dropped to DS. I think any of these will be the main challengers to the ITR in the right hands: S4, WRX, IS300, BMW 330i/328i and even the awd DSMs. I think this will be the hardest year for the ITR to win it's class and the fact that some key ITR players are switching cars for next year doesn't help the situation that much! Having more HP and way more torque is what you need coming out of slow corners and having awd/rwd doesn't hurt either. The IS300 (and I'm sure other cars) can also run 245s all around, us ITR drivers are at a maximum of a 225.

Here in Atlanta there is an IS300 (which certainly is in the right hands) that is really fast. I've noticed that the tighter the course the better he does because of the low end torque and rwd the car can jump out of the turns better. Faster courses will always suit the ITR as it can carry more speed though the highspeed sections/transitions than anything in its class. It can also go in very deep into a turn before braking compared to the others. It all depends whether the course benefits more the heavier higher torque awd/rwd cars with tight sections or the ITR with fast transition sections, slaloms and hard braking zones.

Nevertheless I believe the ITR will still be #1 car in DS! Let's all try to keep it at the top in DS next year.


[Modified by Hracer, 8:36 PM 12/4/2001]

 

Forgive my ignorance, but whch cars in next year's D-Stock have a LSD (excluding the ITR)?

 

The WRX comes with a center and rear LSD. The '95 (only) DSMs have a rear LSD, since my car is a '95 Talon awd. I wouldn't expect anything less than what the WRX has on the S4. The IS300 must have some kind of an LSD since I've never seen any hints from that car to be spinning the inside rear. I'm also 99% sure the BMWs have them because I never heard of anyone "adding" an LSD to a BMW for ITS. These cars also have either AWD or RWD, so having an LSD is just an added bonus. The ITR having an LSD is the only FWD car in DS that I think run up front with these other guys. Maybe some other people have more specific info about the other cars?


[Modified by Hracer, 9:44 PM 12/4/2001]

 

Alex - if you're going with Hoosier's for next season, do you want to part out your Kumho 700's? (if still some tread left...)

 

Factory installed option... only $400. Kinda worth it don't u think? Hard to believe the local dealerships AREN'T ordering theirs with them.

 

Cosworth,
I am running the Kumho V700's. I will continue to run them on my ITR. I will probably switch to the new Kumho race tire or Hoosiers 3 or 4 events before nationals. (If I keep my ITR, I'll give nationals a shot). But, I will experiment with the new Kumho's on my Miata from the beginning of the season. I hear the new Kumho's are a cheap man's alternative to Hoosier's (light, sticky, but susceptible to flat-spotting just like Hoosier's)

Also, I am honestly not sold on the 225's up front. Does the extra grip offset the loss of acceleration from the extra weight? I am not sure. Also the hassle of not being able to rotate tires. Before, the season begins, I will have to ask more questions about this topic.

 

There was such a discussion about tire size earlier in the Competition forum. It was very interesting!

I already bought a very good set of used hoosiers to start next season with. I have a set of 225s v700s 1/2 worn sitting in the garage that I ran on this year, plus a worn out set of 205s v700s mounted now on the white wheels. Two of the 205s set are corded though. I was going to use the 225s for next year, but then came this deal on the hoosiers so now I was planning to start selling the 225 set sometime. Sean, I didn't know you would be interested! They're yours all four 225s, plus the two not corded 205 kumhos if you want. 90 bucks for everything?. email me alex_inc@hotmail.com whenever you would be interested.

I ran on the 225s before I got the 205 set of v700s that I bought solely for a road atlanta track and cmp track day. I did finish the last two events of the season on the 205s, so I got to compare running 225s all around to 205s all around at the autox. No question, you need a 225 tire in the front for best results. It does make a difference especially in the slow turns and hairpins. The car just feels like it sticks better with the wider tire. Both last events with the 205s I couldn't even get within a second of Ken Rupp's times (silver ES celica). (That's also when the Lexus got me by a few hundredths on that last event! lol) With the 225s all around I was able to beat Ken Rupp's times on a couple of events, while I remember him edging me out another time. We were always in friendly competition since the first LTB shootout. With the 225s v700s the lexus could be cleared by a margin (sometimes small!), but every time. He was also running hoosiers this year, so I don’t expect him to be any faster next year.

I will give 225s hoosiers a shot in the front next year for sure and since the GS national champion (who btw is also on this great board!) ran 205s in the back, I can't go wrong with that either. btw, since hoosiers are wider than kumhos by design, 225 hoosiers don't even fit in the back, while 225 kumhos do fit and will clear the rear control arms with 1/4 inch spacers and won't have any rubbing with anything.

 

hey whats up David, i was just looking. BBASSO! and i saw your posts...

 

i feel inadequate running on 195 re010's but then again i've only autox'ed twice so oh well

 

With the ITR moving to DS next year, does that mean it will also run in D street prepared, or will it stay in CSP?