I did not create this thread to start a flame war, I just want to know what the power gains are between the two...

 

maybe we should wait until the Great Header Test comes along..

 

I was but, I didn't know when it was actually going to happen. Wasn't it scheduled for like November 20th?

 

Can't wait for the test.

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=88875&page=1

 

There ABSOLUTELY needs to be a JG Edelbrock 2.5" collector header in that test.
That thing is great!

I have already Dyno'd pretty much every header on the market, and have my mind sets of what is the best header.

And I think, of all those headers that are listed...the JG Edelbrock header is going to be in the TOP 3 headers...

Its freaking great. SMSP headers are excellent too.

This header test coming out really doesn't mean anything to me, beause I don't care about headers on stock cars...

I use a mild B20/VTEC to test most headers...in the low 200's range is good. BEcause it tests the true breathing ability and limits of the header.

I can be honest with you guys and tell you the JG Edelbrock header made over 20 HP peak over stock header and the SMSP header made an EASY 25-35 HP in different ranges over the band over stock on the B20/VTEC.

Jeff

 

Are you kidding JG Edelbrock? That is so cool! I saw a show yesterday about SEMA, and _____ Edelbrock was going on about he wouldn't put his name on something unless it was the best.

****, that is incredible. Who would have thought?

 

Do you mind to share your believe on which is the best header out in the market for modified engine?

 

The Great Header Test is on Dec 15th.
http://www.automotiveperformanceengi...om/header.html

Jeff is correct about comparing a header on a basically stock engine and putting it on a built engine. But to keep things as simple and accurate as possible we chose to use a stock ITR......it is the ITR forum, plus we wanted the test to benefit the most people.


Wow, JG Edelbrock header huh?

What about the JG/Edelbrock intake manifold, now looking at the design of that thing, shorter runners, etc. it looks like you could get some big gains out of it. Any info? Jeff? Before/after dynos?

 

JG Edelbrock 2.5" collector header

HE,HE!!!!! What a F'ing joke!


1fastR, save your time and money and just hit SMSP up.
Dave will treat you right, no doubt.

 

and put the jg/edelbrock intake manifold and unleash more power.
fockit, put the jg/edelbrock nitrous kit and kill everything!!!! ha ha


[Modified by ITR764, 8:38 AM 12/4/2001]

 

The header test should be cool and provide some info but as you said...for mostly stock vehicles and i believe thats been said since the beginning. If it were for highly modified....i'd bring my header to the test if possible but we don't want that!

 

Seriously, one of my friends up in NJ has the JG header on his 86mm bore GSR motor. Over the Mugen JDM 4-1 header he gained about 5-7hp after VTEC kicked in. But then again, this was with the race dump tube.. so I am not sure how it would perform with the regular A-pipe installed.

 

well, I got my money on the HyTech header because I've also experienced all the headers out there ... so I'm biased, oh well, there's a reason for that. I'd lend my header but screw that ... it stays in my babies room in between my twin boys cribs.

I could also be like importreview and be biased too ... what makes us different is he goes with sms and jg headers because they work with him and they cut him a break, I work with John to get my headers and he'll sponsor my car so now we're even.

See you at the finish line next year, good luck.


Greg

 

I called JG and they told me that they do not make a header with 2.5" collector, only 2" for domestic cat or 3" race collector. Could they be wrong? I am confused. I was considering purchasing one, and would like to know if they do offer a 2.5" collector.

Thanks
CB

 

amen to that ... but there is a difference when you take money from your own wallet to finance your racecar vs. the pro racers who get free mods all the time, free trailers all the time, free race fuel all the time ... then turnaround and try to get you kicked out of the class, heh ... cracks me up. Anyway, next year one of two things will happen with my CHEETAH, <U>he blows up or he wins races, no in between.</U>

Not that you asked, but I just reviewed the total money I've spent for my race car project CHEETAH, $28K and counting ... with semi-sponsorship (cost to make parts) ... doesn;t include the time and money I invest tuning and building my friends cars to entice them to be part of my "pitcrew" next year, LOL ...

Greg

 

From SEMA News:

"It seems lately, everyone wants a piece of the fast-growing import market. Reaching out to this new market segment presents a role reversal to many of the established domestic aftermarket players. Established muscle car names such as Edelbrock, Holley, Jacobs Electronics, Comp Cams and others have attempted to entrench themselves firmly in this arena heretofore dominated by import brands. Yet establishing credibility in the sport compact segment often means starting from scratch as far as design and engineering and often distribution and marketing channels as well. For enthusiasts whose memories do not include Watergate, Woodstock or Vietnam, ask them who the big players in the hot-rod segment are, and more often than not, you’ll get such foreign names as HKS, GReddy, APEXi or Tanabe...

..However, low price is not the only thing import enthusiasts look for in a product. "Import enthusiasts have a very discriminating eye for quality. You can sell a set of black painted headers to a guy with an older small-block, but the import owner wants something that looks good and performs well, for a reasonable price. The import market has really forced us to raise the bar as far as the quality and appearance of our products," Patrick said.

"Import enthusiasts like to show off their toys. The parts have to look as good as they work," concurred Holley’s Bruce.

Edelbrock, a name synonymous with performance since the days of the dry lakebed racers of the 1940s, decided to partner with Javier Gutierrez, a well-known import performance guru based in Southern California’s San Gabriel Valley, as a way to gain a better understanding of the market niche.

"We have been researching the import market for the past few years, but last year was our big leap into seriously producing a line of products for this market. We teamed up with JG Engine Dynamics to market them under the JG Edelbrock name. It made sense to work alongside his R&D team with our own and produce some high performance parts," said Rich Barsamian, national sales manager for Edelbrock.

For Edelbrock the greatest obstacle to being competitive in the import arena has not been name recognition, but rather the low prices of some products that companies are importing from overseas. "The manufacturers that are importing products from overseas and selling at ridiculously low prices skews the marketplace and gives a false sense of value to the consumer," he said....

...Made famous by its precise engineering tolerances, tuning Honda motors without the help of nitrous or forced induction does not net the huge gains in horsepower seen in the old days of throwing on some high-flow heads, a lumpy cam and free-breathing headers on Detroit iron.

"The import engines are already so well-designed from the factory that it’s harder to develop products that will produce a significant increase in performance," Barsamian said.

"The products developed for this market need a new way of thinking," said Bruce. "What works for a big-block Chevy does not necessarily work for these engines. Developing products that will perform flawlessly with today’s electronics and fuel systems is paramount. The products also have to be compact, because the engine compartments in these cars are already crowded," he said....

For most aftermarket companies the long-term trend is clear. There are going to be fewer muscle-car era vehicles on the road as the ones that are not bought by restorers or customizers are frequently destroyed, often due to state-subsidized incentives to clean the air.

"Not only is it our strategy, but it’s also the future. The same enthusiasts who are racing Honda Civics now will be racing them 10 years from now. This new sport compact market is really the 21st century’s equivalent to the muscle car era of the 1960s and 1970s. We must embrace it," Barsamian said.

"Let’s face it, the market trend for traditional muscle cars such as the GTO, Challenger and Chevelles of the 1960s and ’70s is flat," said Bruce. "Holley has always been well-known for its domestic performance parts, but times are changing and to compete you need to be diversified. Three years ago, Holley acquired the NOS, Airmass and Earl’s companies, all widely used and well-known in the import market. So we made it our goal to develop new products, expand existing lines and give added focus to the import market," he said.

"We are dedicated to making and continually improving ignition products specifically designed for imports, and we expect it to become at least half of our business," said Jacobs’ Abney."

 

JG Edelbrock Pro-Flo Import Header


JG Edelbrock headers feature 3/8" laser cut and CNC machined flanges, 2 piece header design with 1-3/4" primary tubes and 2" collector tubes. Expect gains of 6 HP at the wheels with a stock motor and cat back exhaust, add optional B Race pipes when at the track for greater gains. Available in mild steel with ceramic coating, polished, or unpolished 304 stainless steel.




So far it looks like it's a 2" system...

 

THanks for the info Phat R

 

OT, but what series do you run the CRX in?

-Ryan

 

ProStock

Lip = Pit crew boy number 1

 

The B pipe one, NOT the full race one, will work better. IT needs length...

and the Race pipe is WAY too big for a mere 1.8 liter. It needs a 2.1 and up.

Jeff

 

its a secret...but alot of the stuff can be found with a search here


signed...cheetah's crew member...and teamate.

 

hey uncle Lip, you the bestest pit crew man ...

yes, I gave a glimpse of whats CHEETAH gonna be all about a few weeks ago ... search.

Greg

 

how often does Uncle Lip babysit?