I'm doing a motor swap and was wondering which motor to buy. i have a 99' manual accord and plan on a hondata system w/h22 odb1 with 15-25 lbs.of boost. i'm gonna build the motor top and bottom but was wondering which way was the cheapest route. should i ship in a jdm or can i find a motor from the u.s. for a better deal? one thing to keep in ming is most jdm's come with all the stuff.....w steering. a/c, ecu, tranny, etc. another thing i was wondering was if i should keep f-series trans or use the h22 tranny. it would be cheaper to not have to buy another tranny but i will probably need harder gears and haven't been able to find them for f23 tans. hope someone has done this and knows the cheepest route though i know it isn't gonna b a cheap project.

 

wouldnt it just depend on smog issues?

 

i have the smog problem taken car of if you know what i mean.

 

No, I don't know what you mean.

 

lol, go jdm then, its cheaper and the engine has less mileage, i think the 92-92 h22's also ahve a 10hp difference.

 

let me brake it down real quick. i put in my info into the World Wide and then i smog my friends 99 accord. if i can't pull it off i'll smog it at my moms town where they don't require smog. damn i hate being a trial user cus i'm goona get cut off from posting soon. they only let u do a few a day, i think 5 or some ****.
how do i get off of this trial **** anyway. it seems like i've been a member for 10 years already


Modified by Miko40til5 at 1:46 PM 8/24/2004

 

it might be 40 posts, cuz now i noticed i could post in classifieds...

 

check your profile smart guy. you ain't a trial user.

 

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Neither are you, genius. Trial period lasts two weeks. Now who's the 'smart guy' ?

 

oh yea, i changed my avatar, yay.

 

so i guess i have to break it down for you too! yesterday, when i posted this i was a trial user but as of today, i'm a so called "normal" user if i can be considered normal but please, i have a pertinent issue at hand. i need to swap my motor NNNNOOOOOOOWWWWWW!!!!!! And now i have a new problem. i don't know if i want odb1 or 2 cuz of the cable shifters. are they really that bad? and what is the deal with the darn immobolilzer.

 

wow...what the **** does it matter what engine...usdm/jdm? 15 - 25lbs of boost...jesus dude....the engine is the least of your worries. i hope you've done a lot of research and realize how much this is going to run you....what you need to do is find an h22 block that has a cracked sleeve or something like that....because you're going to have to resleeve...and its going to run you $900 ~ $1000 for that alone. you're going to need new rods and a pisons (not to mention lower compression) so buying a longblock is pretty much pointless, in my opinion. i dunno about the crank...i guess it would last, but you'll probably want to get a new one. 15lbs is highly optimistic on the h22...i honestly dont see you going to 25lbs of boost. anyway, instead of focusing on the amount of boost you want to run...figure out what your target horsepower is...and dont think you're going to have a mad 500hp street machine....you'll torque steer your *** right into a wall. h22 has the shortest gears...f22 the longest....h23 in the middle...im not too sure about the f23. if you want to run that much boost you really need to go with the f-series...the h22 is going to be hella expensive.

 

damn bro. you don't have to be sucha pesimistic *******. why the **** is that so impossible. i actually am trying to acheive500 horses or maybe more and obbviouslyi need to redo my engine top and bottom. i was just lookin for some help not for a smartass. i have 10000 dallars saved up for the swap so far and i'll have more soon too. come on people, is this guy right. am i reaching for an unreachable goal. should i go for different motor. ive searched and searched and it all seems to point to the h22. pluss my accord weighs a lot so i figured i could use the displacement. sorry bout the question though i guess it is a little stupid but just looking for some dirction. 2500 dollars seem lots for an engine that is gonna get torn apart. should i find the parts from a junk yard. are the us and jap motor the same **** or what

 

If I was you I would invest that 10k and let it grow rather than dumping it in a car. But that is just me.

 

does anyone stick to the topic here?

 

Honestly Ive looked into a few options for myself and only wanted 350 at most hp due to the torque steering issues.. but if having a monster of a car is your thing and since you have the cash you can try the route I was dreaming for my own accord.

Dont do the Swap because H series does NOT like alot of boost... honestly what engine does it matter as long as you reach your HP goals? The more I look into the F series the more I like it.. it loves boost and is very rugged... Anyway just send in your short block to Earl (has a post in the HT classifieds.. FI section I think).. he will build up your block to hold 700+hp for 3k+ dollars. He uses great parts and the sleeves are done by Benson but tell him to use pauter rods for extra durability! Then work on the head (it is going to be a PITA finding performance parts for a F23 head... but custom parts might be your route check with Steve at Omnipowerusa.com .. he might be able to help)

Next buy a Drag 4 Gen turbo kit (or whatever kit you want) and make sure you dont cheap out on engine management.. get an AEM EMS along with it and other goodies as you see fit.. Im still learning about turbos so others might want to chime in here.

Now I would suggest a T3/T04E with 50 trim, stage 2 wheels and .60 AR housing ... this should start to spool at around 2.5k rpm. on the F23 engine ... Dont forget 7xx injectors and high pressure fuel pump etc etc... since you have great power goals.

We are not done here.. now if this setup is done right with all supporting parts this should give you some impressive numbers... but lets push the limits of all that engineering and throw in a nitrous system to top it all off. The other route since smog is not an issue for you, is to have a custom twin turbo setup for the accord. Keep the first turbo mentioned above, and add on a larger turbo (as large as you want).. once that second turbo spools up I hope you have life insurance and I am your beneficiary

While you're at it, upgrade your axles, clutch, racing bucket seats, suspension, tires, rims, and breaks because that beast of a car is going to need a stable platform so you dont die with all that power. Honestly if it was my car and it has as much power as you want.. i would throw in a roll cage as well just in case

What brings a smile to my face is that you will have a beast of an engine.. and it is a family car This is my dream project.. if you can make it come true for your car take me for a ride I would be more than happy to help you hammer out the details because it is all a learning experience for me and HT is a great place for learning... well aside for the ocassional *****

to all the great folks in this community!

Bobby K.

 

i would get the h22 and biuld the heck out of it....you will get much better results...i thought i was happy boosting the F...but when i sat in a boosted H there a big difference.

 

thanks chico, someone with some positive imput. i'm not glued to the h22 i just have been searching for months and it seems the best but it being a long block makes sence 'bout it not liking boost. but what's it any good for then cuz i gotta have boost like i gotta have air. i wanted to stick to the f23 because they have such an awesome head with the centered valves, plus it's a short block. the only problem is the parts. if i detonate it would take weeks even months just for a new custom piston. i live in reno so i could get a piston from summit the same day if i had an h22. also the head work seems hard to get. by the way i was looking at hondata systems and i don't think they are compatible with the f23. them getting fuel rails and injectors seems like a pain in the *** too.

the idea about the twin turbo i the coolest thing i've heard yet. i was planning on a nitrous shot and turbo but two turbo's sounds awesome. who can put that together. i'm open to other ideas people so please help me out here. if the h22 is'nt good the what are my other options. the f23 just seems like it might be more expensive in the long run.

any other ideas out ther guys.

what is a good shop that does headwork on an f23 head

 

i didnt mean my topic to be taken that way at all, and im sorry that it sounded like that. i missed where you said you had 10k...i didn't realize that. what i was getting at was that it really wouldn't matter what engine you bought if you were going to rebuild the bottom end (atleast in my opinion...get what was cheaper). i wish you the best of luck with a boosted h...if i had the money i would do the same thing. and again, im sorry you took my post like, but i didn't mean it the way you took it. guess i could have worded it better, but good luck man; and now knowing you have 10k and want to dump it into a car...build the h22 or swap in a chevy small block

 

In my opinion, i would stick with the staged nitrous delivery to spool up the turbo. Twin turbos seem a little excessive, besides, a custom job like that would be very expensive. I would use a larger turbo in conjunction with the nitrious; if the turbo's too small, it runs the risk of overheating like mad when it's pushing out 25 psi and 500 hp. Also, if it's too small, you run the risk of 'carmalizing' the oil in the turbo after the engine is turned off. Obviously an oil cooler would be in order no matter what route you go.
If smog is not an issue, and you have significant financial backing, it might be worth it to do some extensive boring and porting on you cylinder heads. That, along with a large turbo and nitrous should push you to 500 hp pretty easily.
but that's all just my opinion.

 

madd, appology totally excepted and my initial question was a little wacked. thanks everyone for the help so far. so it seems like the h22 boosted is the way to go with a big *** turbo and a shot. does anyone have this setup and numbers around what i'm looking for. i would love to hear what your parts lists are. i need some real direction. i need to talk to an expert honda builder. i would love to do most of the work myself but doubt that i can so any ideas about a shop on the west coast sacramento or bay area that can do some dank *** work would be great. or if there is anyone who thinks they can do this with the f23 motor please let me know because really i don't care what motor it is as long as it is decently affordable and pulls 400 to 500 horses. the reason i would opt for the h22 is the cheaper parts and it swaps right in a manual transmision 6th gen accord