so guy what are you opinions on which of these vehicles properly setup in its respective class would be a more competitive vehicle?

 

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fer whut?

 

1g's are hard to find parts for, keep that in mind.. they also have terribly low hp motors

 

SCCA Solo II: First gens do very very well. In its stock class, a first gen CRX Has finished no worse than 2nd the last 4 years, and 1st in 2001. CSP it seems either gen does pretty well, and E/D Modified first gens are near the top. E-Prepared i think a 2nd gen is highest though, I imagine the 1st gen could do well.

SCCA Road Racing, the Si's run in ITA, and there the 2nd gen is the competitive one. (slightly longer wheelbase, and more HP help it over the better transitioning 1st gen i think) ITC is home of the 1st gen carbed cars, and they seem to do well, even having to carry more weight.

I do not know the NASA rules and such as well, so i can speak much for that, though looking at some H5 rules a couple of years ago, i feel a 1st gen would do well.

Jon K
http://www.seat-time.com

 

thanks alot for the input! keep it coming, im trying to make a decision.

 

Jon said it, it is based on the discipline of choice. For autocross, the 1st gens are proven to be better around cones than the second gen unless a much higher level of build/development is done on the later car. On the open track, there is no question that the 2nd gen is superior on probably evey facet.

I've had both and done both with both. Pick the which sport and it will tell you which car if you want to be competitive. If you simply want to buck the trend, that is fine but those trends are well established by a wide range of people for well over a decade.

 

any more opinions???

 

you tell us what you are thinking about doing with the car, and we can give better advice, but pretty much thats going to sum it up for a basic overview.

Jon K
http://www.seat-time.com

 

well i was eventually wanting to road race the car, but im kindda scared of its short wheel base i dont want it to be unstable on the track. i know both of these vehicles have the short wheel base so what should i do? i have 3 crx,s right now (86si, 88dx ls-turbo swap, 88hf) should i just sell these and look elsewhere? or is there hope? i was kinda looking at an 88 integra (i like the older hondas, dont ask me why ) any suggestions will be GREATLY appreciated.
thanks

 

Have you ever driven on the track at an HPDE? or even an autocross? Either is a good place to start (autocross is better IMO). Once you have some actual driving experience then you will be able to make better decisions about what you want to do.

I see you have both a 1st and 2nd gen CRX, so what's the deal? Take them both out and see which one you like better. At this point it doesn't matter if you have a competitive car or not because it's the driver that is lacking right now. I don't mean that as an insult, it's just the truth about everyone who is a noob to track or autocross driving.

 

well i already took the 88dx (ls swap without the turbo) out to a parking lot and it handles like ***, can we say understeer! and also took it through some nice twisty roads and to be honest i dont like it all that much. it feels unstable and there is a bit of play (deadspot) in the steering. it also felt like it wanted to lose its tail......so my car suffers from both over and understeer. the 88hf isnt drivable at the moment and the 86si has a beat slow old motor. i kinnda wanted to get rid of the 2nd gens and dump all that money into the fist gen, but its hard to make up my mind.

 

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I meant a sanctioned driving event with proper instruction from instructors. You can drive all day long by yourself and not learn a thing or spend 5 minutes with an instructor and learn a whole lot.

Autocrossing or HPDEs would be worth your time and money. While you are doing that you can look to see what kind of competition you want to compete in and from there you should be better able to determine what car would be best suited. For now just use the most reliable car and concentrate on your driving.

Trying to pick and setup a car for something you just don't understand isn't going to work.

 

Well, i race a first gen CRX SI in SCCA road racing. Yes in ITA the car is not competitive but, there is a rumor going around that SCCA will be moving the car into ITB along with the 86-87 Civic Si. It will probobly pick up weight with the move if it happens but, it would be a good ITB car.
Keep an eye on SCCA Fastrack to see if this happens.
The first gen cars are a little twitchy with the short wheel base but, if they are set up right and you do not do a lot of trail braking into a corner they handle very well. Rear brakes are a problem in IT racing as you have to keep them adjusted a lot to keep your brake pedal high. Other than that they are great little cars to race.

Bob
Cen-Div #76 ITA