after a MONTH of trying to locate my gremlins, it was all due to the stupid OBD0-OBD1 VTEC Frog harness, which is described in this thread.

Well, swapped the pins to the RIGHT locations, car started right up. I'm pissed because I spent $190 on a distributor which i thought might have been the problem.

Car runs, idles fine. It runs kinda rough though... but, that's most likely due to the O2 sensor being wired up wrong.

The water pump makes noises... i'll be replacing that tomorrow...with the timing belt.

 

congrats... you should get some money back for that faulty harness. did you have to wire the stuff up yourself in the end or did the seller do it for you?? anyways, it sucks you spent so much to get it workin right but... its working right and thats what's important.

 

I was in the same boat man, I couldnt figure out why after I turned my car on it wouldnt start again. I bought a brand new optima yellow and a rebuilt starter, I get my BRAND NEW alternator checked out and its ******* dead. I wasted my money because I thought theres no way something I just bought is no good

Good luck

 

Wow cool man haha. Didn't know you could get a messed up harness..another thing to add to my lil check list while I troubleshoot.

-Jon

 

Right on Kam, glad to hear the b18 is runnin!!
Ryan

 

did you get the instructions w/ the jumper?

in it, he says to match wire colors at the distributor and the harness is plug and play. it also says, if you don't do this, then you have to swap wires at the ecu.

i suggested that he make the jumpers this way so that it is easier to get going...matching colors instead of saying...this color and pinout in this plug goes to this color and pinout on that plug.... then you can get the plug sides and associated wires mixed up.

maybe you got one of the o.g. ones where they were slightly different. i've done many swaps w/ his harnesses and they are excellent and are always being changed for the better.

 

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yep. Says about mixed up wires, blah blah blah.

I'm using a Distributor King OBD 1 GSR distributor. nothing fancy about that.
I'm using a p72 ecu. pretty routine.
I used a Locash distributor harness to run the OBD1 distributor. Nothing tricky about that.

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vaguely and this is a load of crock in my eyes. wire the ecu harness how it SHOULD be wired. LIKE PINS should be LIKE PINS. The Locash harness switched the wires, because that's what most people do (from every searchable thread, google search, and tech faq).

it's FAR easier to swap wires in the distributor than the ecu.

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The quality of the harness is nice, except if you had a b16A and wired up your knock/vtec with the normal harness, you have to remove it all. The aux wires doesn't connect to the OBD) plug whatsoever.

oh well, the damn thing runs.

next set of problems:
- getting the hood to fit without too much modification (already cut the ribs, still hits)
- replacing the water pump and timing belt
- wiring the O2 sensor properly
- tuning the suspension
- having fun with the crazy new powerband.

 

You unfortunately ended up with the worst possible combination of parts. Joe's (Locash) distributor adapter is configured to work with his own adapter harness. Joe subscribes to the same philosophy as you do: the wiring should be sensor to sensor, not wire color to wire color.

We originally made the 1st batch of OBD0 to OBD1 adapters for Tom and Andy's cars. We made them to be sensor to sensor. Tom suggested that it would be easier for the end user if they were wire color to wire color. We, and many many many of our customers agreed with Tom.

I am so surprised at the number of our customers that have problems with our product, yet make no attempt to contact us whatsoever. Many times, its something as simple as taking the time to sit down to read and understand the instructions.


Modified by Jaker at 12:03 PM 8/22/2004

 

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problem is, it took ARD two weeks to send me the harness in the first place.

Then, after realising the error in the harness (or distributor wiring, depending on how you see it), i emailed ARD... still no word.

I wouldn't have had an issue if I hadn't already bought an entirely new distributor from Distributor King. I seriously spent hours looking over wiring diagrams trying to figure out where the problem was.

but, life goes on and the car runs. I'm just happy i located the discrepancy. I decided to post my feedback and what was the issue so others know what to look for/test, prior to spending more money on other stuff.

 

Driven,

Thank you for the feed back. Although I understand your frustration with your project, I wish you would have contacted us at the e-mail address found on the instruction sheet.

As Jaker described there is a reason why the wiring of the harness is done the way it is. You will find that a lot of OBD0-OBD1 harnesses sold on this board are a exact copy of our design. We have sold 100s of these harnesses in the exact configuration you purchased.From time to time, the change in the wiring has caused some confusion, but for the vast majority of our customers, it has helped.

It will not help you now, but for our other customers which may come across this thread. A "distributor adapter" such as Locash's, is meant to work with a harness which is "sensor to sensor", not "color to color". We carry both versions, as some of our customers such as Locash require the former.

We'll be glad to help you out with your next project should you require our services.

regards,

Pascal

Frog Engine Controls

 

i appreciate the comments from VTEC Frog representatives...

I was a bit hot when i made the thread and realise that my comments do come off a bit negative towards the harness.

but, hopefully my misunderstanding/misfortunes will help others with any issues.

 

all this hassle (and wasted money) could've been avoided if you would've sneaked a look at some pin outs and wiring diagrams and just wired up your engine yourself.

 

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If Driven is like many of us, the time potentially saved by using an adapter harness far outweighs the money spent on the product. I understand in Driven's case though, that he ended up with a pretty big investment of time anyways.