Well,
I have built 3 honda motors before (all for boost)
1 H22 that we just re-sleved becasue it had a closed deck and did the je pistons, eagle rods ......tons of other crap
and 2 b18a4's I think (my honda terms are not to great...I drive a built mr2) and on these we went to darton for some custom sleves which created a solid deck surface...

anyways i got a MINT 92 acord last nite with the f22 in it for $800, and i have tons of turbos laying around (becasue thats all i do) and i could whip up a manifold real easy and do a little propane injection to aid with the boost(for fuel and detonation control)...but i want to know what the f22 can handel...

if shes closed deck i'm gonna boost roughly 10-12psi with my old tdo6, if its open i wont go over 8psi....I'm have no concern about detonation or fueling issues...I build custom propane injection systems for desils and gass motors, and propane is 110 octane and when injected in liquid form its -57 degrees, and i can run enough to flood the motor is liquid form....

so any feed back would be nice

P.S. i have an extra greddy boost+egt gauges i'm gonna throw in it along with my old plx wideband

 

im only about 60% sure, but i beleive the f22a's are closed decks, but theres a good chance im wrong ......regardless, the f series motors respond really well to boost......even w/ stock internals 8-10psi is nice and safe, and you should start to see some serious power

 

thanks for the reply...also what do you consider serious power...200-250?

also what can a stock clutch hold

p.s. i'm not expecting to much out of this car becasue its DD my mr2 runs on aem standalone fuel managment...and is more a sunday cruise (its a PITA to drive on 356rwhp on pump gass and 407 on race gass)

 

f22's are all open deck



you could always block guard it if you wanna go cheap, but the sleeves are made of iron, so you are one up already if you wanna run forged pistons...also, the c/r is 8.8:1, perfect for boost...8 psi is safe for daily driving, 12 psi is probably doable at the track...you should see around 220-240 hp and 220-250 ft/lbs...those are general numbers because everyone's seems to wind up different...

the stock clutch, well, i am having problems with it and my h22 right now, which isn't making nearly the power of most boosted f22's...it'll need to be replaced...

 

14psi stock block f22b1.. had no problems until someone ran me off the road lol

 

accordfreak, can you give me a list of the turbo parts your using? i'm looking for a good turbo setup for my f22.

P.S. what is the difference between open and close deck? I've never heard this term before... but i've never turbo'd anything before either.


Modified by Nataku at 8:57 AM 8/22/2004


Modified by Nataku at 9:00 AM 8/22/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">f22's are all open deck</TD></TR></TABLE>

thanks for correcting me .........on a side note, were the older h22a's closed deck?? (a, a1, etc)

 

thanks guys

and yes older h22's are closed deck also

does anyone have any sites where they turboed f22's?

 

i have a 94 jdm h22a...is this closed deck? i was thinking about turbo with stock internals but this whole open deck and closed deck gets me worried...i turboed an f22 with a friend and it was a bad little *****..the clutch gave out though

 

94 h22a would be closed deck...be very careful and tune that thing to **** if you are going to use stock internals... its 10.6:1 CR so dont plan on boosting too much at all. good luck with that project, should be a fun car to drive

 

Apparently, Benson won't do deck plates when he resleeves the block....go into the classifieds and search for Benson...gives a good reason why he doesn't and says its un-needed...unless im a complete retard and dreamed the whole thing...wouldn't suprise me

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by madd &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Apparently, Benson won't do deck plates when he resleeves the block....go into the classifieds and search for Benson...gives a good reason why he doesn't and says its un-needed...unless im a complete retard and dreamed the whole thing...wouldn't suprise me </TD></TR></TABLE>

Might be faster just to look up earl. He is Benson's seller on this site. Great prices!

 

i have seen 471 fwhp on stock internals on an h22...but that was fully tuned with AEM...also he is a board member here

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by david_rg79 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i have seen 471 fwhp on stock internals on an h22...but that was fully tuned with AEM...also he is a board member here</TD></TR></TABLE>

I would like to see the dyno graph on that. I didn't think that was possible on any honda motor, let alone the H22. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but.....I'd have to see it to really believe that.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMAccord2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I didn't think that was possible on any honda motor, let alone the H22. I'm not saying I don't believe you, but.....I'd have to see it to really believe that.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I've personally seen a civic hatch dyno at 630 hp and 480 ft/lbs on a fully built turbo B18c*...it's just all about stronger parts and more boost...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Nick H &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I've personally seen a civic hatch dyno at 630 hp and 480 ft/lbs on a fully built turbo B18c*...it's just all about stronger parts and more boost...</TD></TR></TABLE>

i think he was talkin about a honda engine with stock internals boosted

 

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i think he was talkin about a honda engine with stock internals boosted </TD></TR></TABLE>

whoopseeee...mah bad

 

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i think he was talkin about a honda engine with stock internals boosted </TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah, 471 whp on stock H guts. I've never heard numbers even close to that on stock H internals. That's gotta be in the 25+ psi range. I don't care how well its tuned, that's a lot

 

the h22 doing that was posted on this board...thats where i saw it...i'll try to find it tonite

 

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=749784

here you go...i lied 411 on stock motor...sorry i lied

 

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here you go...i lied 411 on stock motor...sorry i lied</TD></TR></TABLE>

Ya filthy liar, I knew you were lying the whole time! J/K. Wow, that's pretty unbelievable. I wouldn't try it, but mad props to him for getting that kinda power out of a stock H. I'm green with envy

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by JDMAccord2nr &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Ya filthy liar, I knew you were lying the whole time! J/K. Wow, that's pretty unbelievable. I wouldn't try it, but mad props to him for getting that kinda power out of a stock H. I'm green with envy </TD></TR></TABLE>

thankfully he only did it to see what it could take......but hes a bastard for just throwing an h22 in their just to see what it could take....i would have GLADLY taken that motor off his hands if he was just gonna brake it ....but that seems really damn good for only low teens psi..specially figuring it makes well over 100+whp more than an F with similar boost levels..... to that

 

how the hell is 400+whp possible on a boosted h22 with stock internals? im baffled.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by TOAB &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">how the hell is 400+whp possible on a boosted h22 with stock internals? im baffled.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Having people that really know what they are doing.

 

so then its agreed that allllll f22s are open deck??