CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold
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CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold
Car will be dyno tested and tuned on monday with results posted a few days later. Can't wait to fire it up! Hopefully things will be set tonight for a quick drive around the block. Unlike other setups out there, this one will be tested before going into production with NA results and FI results. Any FI guys want to buy one for testing? I'm going nuts over this thing, it's MUCH lighter than the stock piece.
Here are a few pics, keep in mind this is a testing unit for a NA setup, it's preproduction and is in raw form. I heard that hybrid weaves will be available for different colors. Did I say I can't wait to drive the car?
screw imagestation, click on link for pic
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D
stay tuned for a full write up, stages of tuning, and outcome. So far, the only change since my last dyno has been this manifold. Same stock size throttle body too. Hopefully, I'll be able to get my hands on a larger throttle body in the mean time. That will be it as far as "bolt on" mods.
*Update*-10/07/04
Testing should commence next weekend, and all questions can be better answered by Tom. You can reach him at his email:
tom@ctautoengineering.com
and the website is: http://www.ctautoengineering.com
I do believe the manifolds can be ordered now and seems like pre-production has started.
Don't ask me about pricing, I'm not selling anything here nor advertising. Just direct your questions to Tom and post here what he says so we don't get redundant questions.
*Update* - 11/27/04
Was only able to test the first configuration of the manifold on the dyno. Gains seen throughout the power band except for the top where it seems to choke for air. Solution...configuration #2 which is what I'm told the final layout will be and I hope to get sorted out and dyno again shortly. I'll have dyno charts up hopefully at the end of the final testing.
Guys, the manifold is COLD to the touch even under the dyno, the intake piping and throttle body were warm due to heat transfer from the radiator, but the manifold was ice cold (not icy cold but you get what I mean).
Vtec was lowered to 5000rpm!!! If there was more time, it would've been lowered to 4800rpm with no loss in the transition or dip in the torque/hp curves.
Driving impressions: BAD ***! When you get ~16-20whp gain from 5000-6000rpm, you feel it! Especially on downshifts. I had reverted back to the stock final drive setup from running 4.77's and at first I thought the car pulled a tad bit harder than before (thinking I was still running the 4.77s). Later do I realize that I'm on the stock 4.10s and the car pulls hard! I guess the butt dyno can be useful?
Here are a few pics, keep in mind this is a testing unit for a NA setup, it's preproduction and is in raw form. I heard that hybrid weaves will be available for different colors. Did I say I can't wait to drive the car?
screw imagestation, click on link for pic
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D
stay tuned for a full write up, stages of tuning, and outcome. So far, the only change since my last dyno has been this manifold. Same stock size throttle body too. Hopefully, I'll be able to get my hands on a larger throttle body in the mean time. That will be it as far as "bolt on" mods.
*Update*-10/07/04
Testing should commence next weekend, and all questions can be better answered by Tom. You can reach him at his email:
tom@ctautoengineering.com
and the website is: http://www.ctautoengineering.com
I do believe the manifolds can be ordered now and seems like pre-production has started.
Don't ask me about pricing, I'm not selling anything here nor advertising. Just direct your questions to Tom and post here what he says so we don't get redundant questions.
*Update* - 11/27/04
Was only able to test the first configuration of the manifold on the dyno. Gains seen throughout the power band except for the top where it seems to choke for air. Solution...configuration #2 which is what I'm told the final layout will be and I hope to get sorted out and dyno again shortly. I'll have dyno charts up hopefully at the end of the final testing.
Guys, the manifold is COLD to the touch even under the dyno, the intake piping and throttle body were warm due to heat transfer from the radiator, but the manifold was ice cold (not icy cold but you get what I mean).
Vtec was lowered to 5000rpm!!! If there was more time, it would've been lowered to 4800rpm with no loss in the transition or dip in the torque/hp curves.
Driving impressions: BAD ***! When you get ~16-20whp gain from 5000-6000rpm, you feel it! Especially on downshifts. I had reverted back to the stock final drive setup from running 4.77's and at first I thought the car pulled a tad bit harder than before (thinking I was still running the 4.77s). Later do I realize that I'm on the stock 4.10s and the car pulls hard! I guess the butt dyno can be useful?
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Re: CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold (Eri_S2k)
Update: wasn't able to do the road test, need to get a new intake manifold gasket as re-using the original one wasn't a good idea and there wasn't a good seal. Looks like the dyno tuning day set on monday will have to be delayed. Sorry guys. 
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Re: CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold (vapor)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vapor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Update: wasn't able to do the road test, need to get a new intake manifold gasket as re-using the original one wasn't a good idea and there wasn't a good seal. Looks like the dyno tuning day set on monday will have to be delayed. Sorry guys. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Hondata IM gasket?
(do they make one for the F20c anyways?)
</TD></TR></TABLE>Hondata IM gasket?
(do they make one for the F20c anyways?)
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Re: CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold (ScreaminTeg)
Looks pretty awesome, Vapor. Could you tell us a little bit more about the manifold though? Whats the difference between this and the stock unit besides weight? Is it an exact mold? And lastly, how much do you predict the manifold will cost in production form?
..more info on the manifold
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Re: CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold (ScreaminTeg)
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScreaminTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Hondata IM gasket?
(do they make one for the F20c anyways?)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yup
(do they make one for the F20c anyways?)</TD></TR></TABLE>
Yup
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Re: CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold (AJ PwR)
The factory manifold weighs about 20 lbs. The CF should be less than 3 lbs. Weight savings on the drivers side in the front is generally good. Tom does nice work with the CF.
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Re: CTAE Carbon Fiber Intake manifold (Sideways)
Just thinking...
Is this (or going to be) a direct fit just the OEM one wherea any hoses, sensors, fittings, etc. will mount right to the CF one?
Is this (or going to be) a direct fit just the OEM one wherea any hoses, sensors, fittings, etc. will mount right to the CF one?
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mistersparco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry for the newb inquiry, but what positive effects would this product yield?
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Apart from the weight savings, I'd like to know too. Waiting for the full writeup
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Apart from the weight savings, I'd like to know too. Waiting for the full writeup
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Apart from the weight savings, I'd like to know too. Waiting for the full writeup </TD></TR></TABLE>
Carbon Fiber dissipates heat (doesn't hold it). This should help keep intake air temps down.
Apart from the weight savings, I'd like to know too. Waiting for the full writeup
</TD></TR></TABLE>Carbon Fiber dissipates heat (doesn't hold it). This should help keep intake air temps down.
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Sorry for the delay in updates guys, I hope I'll be able to answer everyone's questions.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StinkyTofu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks pretty awesome, Vapor. Could you tell us a little bit more about the manifold though? Whats the difference between this and the stock unit besides weight? Is it an exact mold? And lastly, how much do you predict the manifold will cost in production form?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's not an exact mold. Runner length and plenum volume have changed. I was told the rig was tested under computer software for flow characteristics, this isn't meant to be a bling piece but it certainly has the bling factor. The manifold is VERY light, the fuel rail/injectors/throttle body seem to weigh more than the manifold. I'm not sure how much the manifold will cost. I want to abide by the same rules as everyone else and keep this thread as tech as possible, avoiding commercial advertisement. CTAE has a website, I'll get it for you guys, they also make the brake cooling duct kit and some other carbon fiber parts.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AJ PwR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How's the finish inside ?
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The finish inside seems to be smoother than stock, but this is a prototype unit and was solely made for testing purposes. I can't wait for a production piece but still have to go through the testing phase to see what the manifold can do on the dyno.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScreaminTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just thinking...
Is this (or going to be) a direct fit just the OEM one wherea any hoses, sensors, fittings, etc. will mount right to the CF one?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's meant to be a direct swap, and fit with minor changes such as the mounting of the IACV. Currently, there aren't any emissions control on my car, but the ports for it are there ie secondary air injection ports.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mistersparco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry for the newb inquiry, but what positive effects would this product yield?
TIA </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol, it's okay, newb inquiry is okay. Positive effects will hopefully be more torque down low while retaining the same top end, maybe make some hp up top. Who knows, we'll see, it'll all depend on the change in air/fuel ratio and what we can tune. I'm probably more anxious than all of you to see what this thing can do, car has been down for over a month during this process.
The use of the carbon fiber is not only for weight savings but as those with the hondata intake gasket know, there's some free hp to be kept in preventing heat soak and the ill effects of hotter intake charge temps. One can only wonder about the gains of this manifold on a forced induction setup, makes me wonder why I'm sticking to NA when a beast of setup can be made here. *slaps head* yea, FI isn't allowed in honda challenge.
Anyways, I'll start the write up, with the previous tuning stages, I need to get the dyno charts from the dyno tuner which isn't an easy task. Car was putting down ~240whp at the last tuning stage.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by StinkyTofu »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Looks pretty awesome, Vapor. Could you tell us a little bit more about the manifold though? Whats the difference between this and the stock unit besides weight? Is it an exact mold? And lastly, how much do you predict the manifold will cost in production form?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's not an exact mold. Runner length and plenum volume have changed. I was told the rig was tested under computer software for flow characteristics, this isn't meant to be a bling piece but it certainly has the bling factor. The manifold is VERY light, the fuel rail/injectors/throttle body seem to weigh more than the manifold. I'm not sure how much the manifold will cost. I want to abide by the same rules as everyone else and keep this thread as tech as possible, avoiding commercial advertisement. CTAE has a website, I'll get it for you guys, they also make the brake cooling duct kit and some other carbon fiber parts.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by AJ PwR »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">How's the finish inside ?
</TD></TR></TABLE>
The finish inside seems to be smoother than stock, but this is a prototype unit and was solely made for testing purposes. I can't wait for a production piece but still have to go through the testing phase to see what the manifold can do on the dyno.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ScreaminTeg »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Just thinking...
Is this (or going to be) a direct fit just the OEM one wherea any hoses, sensors, fittings, etc. will mount right to the CF one?</TD></TR></TABLE>
It's meant to be a direct swap, and fit with minor changes such as the mounting of the IACV. Currently, there aren't any emissions control on my car, but the ports for it are there ie secondary air injection ports.
<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by mistersparco »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Sorry for the newb inquiry, but what positive effects would this product yield?
TIA </TD></TR></TABLE>
lol, it's okay, newb inquiry is okay. Positive effects will hopefully be more torque down low while retaining the same top end, maybe make some hp up top. Who knows, we'll see, it'll all depend on the change in air/fuel ratio and what we can tune. I'm probably more anxious than all of you to see what this thing can do, car has been down for over a month during this process.
The use of the carbon fiber is not only for weight savings but as those with the hondata intake gasket know, there's some free hp to be kept in preventing heat soak and the ill effects of hotter intake charge temps. One can only wonder about the gains of this manifold on a forced induction setup, makes me wonder why I'm sticking to NA when a beast of setup can be made here. *slaps head* yea, FI isn't allowed in honda challenge.
Anyways, I'll start the write up, with the previous tuning stages, I need to get the dyno charts from the dyno tuner which isn't an easy task. Car was putting down ~240whp at the last tuning stage.
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by vapor »</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">also, imagestion sucks, hence the red X at the top. </TD></TR></TABLE>
Word...that red x has been upsetting me...I havent seen the pic yet
Word...that red x has been upsetting me...I havent seen the pic yet
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fixed the link in the first post, pick should work, just click the link, here's another shot of the manifold off the car:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D
http://www.we-todd-did-racing....DE%3D
