just want to see what every one thinks on this topic?

 

I dont think they necessarily made the engines swap happy, but rather that they are keeping costs down by making multiple engine capable cars without having to change the design radically. Wouldnt it be more expensive for Honda to have several radicalyl different engine that mount in very different ways. Case in point: 99-00 ex fits the b16 in the upgraded si very easily.

I think they like to keep it simple. Just like the accord trannys fit prelude engines and vice versa and all d series fit all civics 92-00 and so forth. Just happens to work to OUR advantage when it comes to swapping. I am personally happy Honda put lots of room in front of my d16y8 for a turbo to sit perfectly and that the front bumper support holds a fmic like no other!! YAyy for HONDA!!

 

all im saying honda must of had the **** rigged!

 

Civics came with B-series motors in Japan, it's no mystery

 

It is crazy how easy H/F-series motor accept civic/integra harnesses. Rewiring is nothing like other car makers (within reason). Honda knew people would swap h-series in.

 

No, they just didn't want to have to design many ecu's, all the honda ecus 92-95 are pretty muc the same board, just different **** activated

 

Well If Honda has this much insight to swaps, why are they still only putting 127hp in the civic ex's? Grr...Hey Honda, make the b16 STANDARD even in the dx's and up!!!

 

i don't think they knew! u r right, they just didn't want to spend the extra $$$ for research and new designs... so this way it'z much cheaper for them to build, much easier for us to swap.

Honda

 

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It's all about the economy of scale. They built the civics and integras on the same platform, with the same layouts to keep the costs down. They didn't intend it for swapping, but when you build cars like that, it makes it very easy to do. The same goes for audi / VW and nissan with all the swapping of motors and parts.

 

You do know Honda isnt the only company that does this right? Hell before Honda was even made Chevy was doing this. You could throw anymotor into damn near any car, turn the key and there you go.

Nissan does this too, so does VW. So Honda just didnt come up with this "great idea" it just cost less to make all the cars the same but look and act different. Upgrades i guess you could say to there base model cars.

 

so they could make more money. how, by keeping production/development/design costs down.

case in point. engines, brakes, seats, dashes etc..

alot of companies do this, not only Honda.

the new volvo s40 (i believe thats the one) is matched to the mazda 3 and a ford only available in europe.

so not only are car companies making "global" platforms for themselves, but betwen other companies.

 

personally, i think they did this sht purposely.. one is because since they got strict emission laws in japan, they knew they had to get their engines out of the country somehow.. and how else to do it than to make it compatible with USDM cars and other models.. i also read somewhere that the engines that they make USDM are second class compared to JDM engines, and i believe it 100%. this is why they make them compatible so we can import their products and raise their value. of course, simplicity and ease of fabrication are also parts of why they did this.

 

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lol, maybe the K series motor.

 

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Beat you too it

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Yeah, purposley if you mean badge engineering. Could you imagine how expensive it would be to buy a Honda, or any car for that matter, if every car was different, and the parts weren't interchangeable? Every peice of every car would have to be engineered, there would be different assembly plants and factories for each part and car.

The costs would be astronomical. By using interchangeable parts, the cars become cheaper to produce. A side effect of that is that people who know what they're doing are able to use that to their advantage by swapping parts.

Honda could care less about designing cars for performance aftermarket or swapping. They make money by selling as many cars as they possibly can, and by making them cheaper to produce, they can beef up thier margins while still making the cars affordable.

Honda is in the transportation game, and thier selling a product. If they were concerned about building performance cars etc, they'd bring the NSX redesign back to the table, continue the s2000, and start selling type-R cars that Japan and EDM get.

 

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When you ask the question: "why doesn't honda makes *insert motor swap* in my civic?" Read this post.

The performance market makes up such a small part of Honda's sales, it is not even funny. You want a car maker that cares about racing? Buy a Ferrari.

 

I consider myself a genius on the d series, educated on the b series, h.s. diploma on the f series and a complete moron about the k series. Could somebody educate me?

 

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I to, am a moron when it comes to the K series motor, but here's what I know. Its the motors from the RSX, newer Civic Si, they even put them in CRV's, and Elements (There's more I'm sure). A more feasible approach to a STANDARD engine in today's civics as opposed to bringing back the B16.

EDIT - of course there are different versions of this motor, like the B16 B18, ect, there's the K20, K24.

 

Hondas are just savage...

 

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the new volvo s40 (i believe thats the one) is matched to the mazda 3 and a ford only available in europe.

so not only are car companies making "global" platforms for themselves, but betwen other companies.</TD></TR></TABLE>

Well FORD the parent Co owns most of Mazda and Volvo .. Also the New 05 Foucs is built on this platform also .. I think you would be supries the Companies Ford as a controling intrest in

 

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yea sure. the only reason why JDM motors usually have more power is b/c they have higher compression. the US has stricter smog laws, and high compression motors have higher NOx emissions

 

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yea sure. the only reason why JDM motors usually have more power is b/c they have higher compression. the US has stricter smog laws, and high compression motors have higher NOx emissions</TD></TR></TABLE>


Not to mention they get a superior high ocatne, low sulphur gasoline. But it costs quite a bit more too.

 

hell yeah honda was planning on swaping. its about like chevy and small blocks.

 

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Huh?

a 350 bolts into a sunfire?

 

thats a good one