how hard will it be to do this swap wut will i need wut and i geting my slef in to? not trying to do to much work thanks

 

the only really bad part about the type-s swap is teh ATTS system on it....

 

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I thought type-s was a motor. Atts has to do with the tranny... and he is talking about a type-s swap into a base model. Am I on crazy pills here?

 

The Type S motor will not mount up to the base model tranny... well some speculate it will, but it would be a lot of work and im not sure it would be worth it.. so would probably want to buy the tranny with it.

so assuming that your putting in the Type S engine w/ tranny, you wont have any problems... You wont have the ATTS system still... but it doesn't sound like thats what your aiming for.

You will not be gaining that much hpw over a base h22a JDM engine/tranny switch... and since your not going to get ATTS either then i dont see the advantage you would have for spending as much money as you would... cuz the Type S engines aren't the cheapest things... I was just looking at them for my Type SH, and it would be 4,700 for the engine/tranny... and thats plus labor.(granted i didn't need the tranny, but since 9 outta 10 that shop for the type S do, i couldn't find anyone to sell me JUST the engine)

I THINK you can install ATTS on a Type S engine installed in a base model lude... since the Type S would allow it to mount on... but im not srue if there are limitations within the base model body itself. I know there are a lot of things different about the steering/suspension on the Type SH that you might have to do.

If i was you, I would get a base model/tranny switch and look at getting LSD for the tranny. I would think that would give you the most bang for your buck.


Modified by FadedEpic at 3:04 AM 8/9/2004

 

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i assumed he was doing a type-s swap....which includes the type-0s engine obvioulsy and the type-s tranny.

basically it will all bolt in but the atts unit will be dead weight and will not work.

 

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basically it will all bolt in but the atts unit will be dead weight and will not work.</TD></TR></TABLE>

no it wont... cuz he wont even have the ATTS unit bolted on. I HIGHLY doubt it would come with the engine he would buy... and he doesn't have it already. So all he has is the engine, and tranny.

If it did by some chance come with it, since he wouldn't use it... he could just unbolt it.


Modified by FadedEpic at 3:24 AM 8/9/2004

 

so if i would get the type s would it help at all or would it be best just to get the h22 with lsd?

 

and ATTS wut is it? would it hold back power if i were to do the s swap since i dont have the SH model?

 

ATTS stands for Active Torque Transfer System. It will give the outside wheel more power if you are turning, and allow it to spin faster. Its pretty awesome, I notice it on my SH over a non SH lude I drove a few weeks ago... when turning.

If you are applying the ATTS... then it does rob UP TO 5-7 horsepower(but not always). But since you are putting the Type S in a base model then you wouldn't be using the ATTS. like i said, it MIGHT be possible to hook it up... but im not sure if you could set it up to work. But since you most likely woudln't be using it, it wont take any power from the engine. It wouldn't even be installed in your car. If you did put it in and didn't have it hooked up to the axle, it would be dead weight like v4lu3s says... but if that would be the case, then just unbolt it and dont use it, obviously. So essentailly, if you dont have ATTS, you get MORE power outta a Type S engine. but only by 10 or so... at the most.

The Type S does have a little bit more power than the standard JDM engine... but the REAL advantage for me to get a Type S engine over a standard JDM would be so I could still have my ATTS... cuz I care more about the performance of my car driving around the city than the 0-60 and 1/4m times and drag racing.

What i am saying is you can put a JDM engine/tranny swap in for 2100, and the Type S is going to cost you 4500... and I dont see the real advantage you would get, except a few more ponies.... that you could probably get if you just put an exhaust or something on. Plus sinc eyou most likely wouldn't need a new tranny with a regular JDM.. your talking even cheaper for not going Type S style.

Just check the hpw/torque ratings of the Type S vs the JDM motor and see if its worth the extra money.

 

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Wrong If your not 100% positive about something, don't post it as truth.

Here is a write up to modify an SH lude block to accept a base tranny.

http://ian.clendaniel.net/gallery/noatts

 

so the h22 type s is not jdm? so whats the jdm?

 

Pretty sure i said "some speculate it will"

and I said that for two reasons: I wonder how effieceint that tranny is at running when your throwin somethin on there like that... and it would be a lot of work and he said "not trying to do a lot of work"

but also... I highly doubt he'll find JUST a Type S motor without the people selling it selling it w/ the tranny. I tired for three weeks for someone to sell me JUST the motor and i couldn't find anyone willing to do it.

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so the h22 type s is not jdm? so whats the jdm?

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No the Type S is JDM. JDM is simply the Japanese spec engine. There is the H22a JDM, and the USDM h22a. they are both H22 blocks, but one is built to Jap specs... hence JDM. And yes the Type S is JDM.

 

ok, then how will i convert it to OBD1 to OBD2?

 

im not 100 percent sure, but I think that they just signify the different generations of H22 motors... like the OBD1 was used in the preludes 92-96, and the OBD2 is used in the preludes 97-01.

So Im not sure what you would have to convert since Type S is the same as the OBD2's... and you have a 5th Gen prelude. im not 100 percent sure on that tho.

So wnat are you talking exactly about converting?

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by FadedEpic &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Pretty sure i said "some speculate it will"

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Exactly, thats the problem. Its not speculation, its proven.

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I wonder how effieceint that tranny is at running when your throwin somethin on there like that... and it would be a lot of work and he said "not trying to do a lot of work"

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Did you even look at the link? your not "throwing" anything on the tranny. Its a plate that allows the halfshaft to bolt to the block. Fabbing up a small metal plate is not "alot of work".

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but also... I highly doubt he'll find JUST a Type S motor without the people selling it selling it w/ the tranny. I tired for three weeks for someone to sell me JUST the motor and i couldn't find anyone willing to do it.
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I have no problem with the general idea you are trying to convey. Yes, i don't think the type s is worth the extra money and effort.

However, i do have a problem with misinformation.

 

91siboy, take a look at these two threads and use the search.

H22 catalog ( various different h22's )

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555

Prelude Essential Links

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=689805

 

The Type S engine has higher compression pistons hence the higher HP vs. the other H22. And JDM stands for Japanese Domestic Market -&gt; i.e. - only found in Japan. Henceforth..usdm, edm...

OBD1 and OBD2 are different types of ECU generations. They have corresponding components within the engine that is exclusive to that ECU type (generation). Specifically, injector size and type.

 

so are the ECU and components specific to a coresponding generation like I was thinking?

And is it possible to convert like he was askin?

 

No, you are incorrect. OBD2 started in late 96, but for the most part - most H22 engine prior to 96 are found to be OBD1. ANd yes, it is possible to convert.

 

Soooo 20 more hp and 10 more ft lb of torque is nothing? The type s for the sh lude is a direct swap, who the hell would pay labor for it. Anyone with general engine knowledge and the will to try can get it done. And a type s is not 4700, more like 4000.

 

Thats still 2500 more... for 20 hpw?? hmm it wasn't worth it to me. and I just paid labor to have my new engine put in... but thats cuz I haven't had my lude for over three weeks and im WAY too impatient... i want it back now... not after spending a week figurin out how to do it...

Oh and i dont have a place to do the swap.... unless Wal-mart let me use the back of thier parking lot for a few days, haha.

 

holy crap fadedepic please make sure you know what you;re talking about before you type ****.

 

K you tell me where to do the swap when I dont have a garage...

And just cuz i dont think a Type S isn't worth it doesn't mean im "typing ****"

You can explain to me why you think it is if you'd like... maybe there is stuff about it I dont know.

 

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maybe there is stuff about it I dont know.</TD></TR></TABLE>

<FONT SIZE="14"> MAYBE?? </FONT>

ya think

 

I wasn't referring to your recent post. I moderate this forum and I don't like people posting a bunch of incorrect information.

I don't think the type-s is worth it for a swap either. If I was going to buy an expensive swap it would be an Accord Euro-R complete swap with the short geared tranny.