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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 02:58 PM
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i am installing my new timing belt and the gay *** chilton manual says, "line up camshafts and crankshafts, and install belt" I know that the arrows on the camgears point up and the lines on the cam gears are even with the head, but on the crankpulley, i only have a pink mark on the pulley. What do i line up on the pulley. I was reading archived messages and they say something about an oil pump line or some ****, but i have no idea where that is. Is there another mark on the pulley and when this mark is facing upwards, does that insinuate TDC on # 1 piston?
please help, i dont want to mess this up.
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 03:32 PM
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I am assuming your changing a single cam timing belt i give both 1.5 and 1.6 specs

install the timing belt on #1 piston at TDC (top dead center) on compression stroke pistons 1 and 4 are up, crank TDC is on the white mark aligned with the pointer on the lower timing belt cover. #1 valves should have a little bit of play in them if no play roll over the motor 180 degrees

if its a 1.5 align the TDC marks on the cam gear ( two lines on either side of the gear when in proper TDC) with the cyclinder head upper surface
if its a 1.6 align the TDC marks on the cam gear (mark slighty to the left of the lower hole direclty down from the UP mark on the gear) with the pointer on the cyclinder head cover

set the cranksaft TDC with the pointer on the lower belt cover to the WHITE mark on the pulley (look really carefully at the pulley its behind the the red/pink mark about 3/4 of a inch) time and age has probably worn away the marking paint

after everything is aligned slide the belt on The tensioner is spring-loaded to apply proper tension to the belt. Rotate cranksaft counter clockwise 3-teeth on the cam-shaft pulley tighten the adjustment bolt 14mm dont tighten to much take care not to strip it

Tighten the pulley bolt 17 mm to 119 lb-ft

Hope i make sense and helped you out a bit. Pretty much by the book
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 04:00 PM
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funny, just my luck...i actually have a dohc zc, not a single cam. its not much different though right? Just line up the other cam?i have a pink dot and then on the top of the pulley is 3 marks? i dont see the white dot though. And where is the pointer on the lower velt cover? i see a line on the part where the tensioner bolt comes out. Is there another pointer somewhere. All i need to know is where the mark is on the pulley and where that mark is that it lines up with. I guess thats a lot though.
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 04:45 PM
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"i see a line on the part where the tensioner bolt comes out." thats the line right behind the tensior bolt on the timing cover, goes up and down. I called my friend over he has a JDM ZC in his civic, he brought it over. NOW remember i can only go by whats in his car ok brother... His pulley for the alternator uses a 3 rib belt on his pulley it has the 3 marks (red) first then the single white mark, however i had to look very closely to see it. Actually had to take a wire brush and clean it out to see it. Its the white mark slightly behind the 3 marks and the cams are small style sproketts and have the word "up" which is up when at TDC with the white mark aligned with the lower belt cover.

that help any??? just trying to help a brother out
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 07:09 PM
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with the timing belt cover and pulley off, look at the face of the gear on the crankshaft that the timing belt goes on - you will see a line on it - just behind that gear is the oil pump housing which has an arrow at about 2 o'clock pointing to the gear on the crankshaft - this is TDC - line up the line on the gear with the arrow on the oil pump housing, with the arrows on the cam gears pointing up - remove valve cover - looking down at the top of the #1 camshaft bearing caps which are just behind the cam gears, you will see a little projection to the rear from the bearing caps with a hole in it - the camshafts also have a hole in them - place a small punch down thru each of the holes in the bearing caps into the holes in the camshafts (you may have to rotate the cams slightly to line them up) - this puts camshafts in the correct position - check to make sure bottom mark is still lined up - place belt on crankshaft gear and around exhaust cam making sure there is no slack on the side toward front of car - place belt on intake cam, again keeping all slack out - place belt on water pump gear and around tensioner - loosen bolt on tensioner and make sure you have no slack anywhere - with tensioner bolt loose, rotate crankshaft counterclockwise 1/4 turn and then tighten the tensioner bolt
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 08:47 PM
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k best way is .. get a long screw driver or something siliar . then take out the number 1 cy spark plug and drop the long screw driver in then turn the crank by using the pulley .. you will see the screw driver go up and down .. when it is at its topmost you have tdc on the crank.
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Old Aug 7, 2004 | 10:00 PM
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isnt there 2 TDC, one on the compression stroke and one on the exhaust stroke? am i confused? aye aye aye i thought even with the piston all the way up I could be 180 degrees out of phase
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 09:10 AM
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help, jilcrx was very helpful, but i need to know if once the line on the crank gear matches, the oil supply line, could it be 180 out of phase?
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 12:12 PM
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lets cross our fingers, im going to go get oil and coolant and then im going to attempt to start it up........
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 05:26 PM
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<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ZCHF &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">help, jilcrx was very helpful, but i need to know if once the line on the crank gear matches, the oil supply line, could it be 180 out of phase?</TD></TR></TABLE>
if you line up the marks on the crank gear, and the cam gears are pointing up, you will be at TDC on #1 - if the arrows on the cam gears are pointing down, you will be at TDC on #4
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 05:53 PM
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ok, i got the car started but here a little clicking. I checked the cam gears and they look to be off be about one tooth. when i tightened them, they were dead on and now they are off by about one tooth. is this ok. i turned the car off immidiately because i was scared i would hurt something, but if the cam marks are off by about one tooth, is this ok?
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 06:22 PM
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off one tooth won't cause valve to piston clearance problem, but car won't run right, might cause code 9 - they need to be right on - are you sure they are off?
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 06:53 PM
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yeah
i could take a pic and post it
ill do that k
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 07:07 PM
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 07:17 PM
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This is what the cam gears are suppose to look like.

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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 07:20 PM
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Old Aug 8, 2004 | 07:22 PM
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maybe i should turn my motor over so that the up arrows point up
this is just the postion the cams stopped in after i turn my car off. shouldnt the cams be always in phase with each other? im lost
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