I read a few days back that there was no such thing as an h23 vtec motor ... i believe this forums mod. satan said that ... dont quote me on it though ... i ran across this and was kind of confused .... http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/....html ... any one trying to explain. Is that why they have no info under the engine specs ... thanks ... pece

 

its a h22 you can tell by the header

 

u can only make h23 vtec by doin a h22/h23 hybrid wit da h22 head on da h23 block and all dese other upgrades but i'm not sure if dats really reliable.

 

i was going to say, i could swear I've read about the Accord Wagon had the H23-VTEC engine, but that was the only car to carry it from the factory.

Found this with a quick search:
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yes..
and did you know there was a h23 vtec motor made factory by honda for the european market? it had a blue top and came with a automatic transmission.
H23A VTEC
AT FF
ACCORD
CH9
2,300cc
200HP/6,800rpm
22.5kg/5,300rpm
and this is the car there in (4wd!!)
http://www.luk-korbmacher.de/Autos/acc6wgsp.jpg
and this is the engine
http://i1.ebayimg.com/01/i/01/16/2d/b3_1.JPG[/quote]

and for one last source

[quote]
http://www.altavista.com/babel...es_en
</TD></TR></TABLE> It's in spanish so that link will have babelfish translate for you... but it states "The price of the Sling Accord 2,3 4p IS VTEC is 4.000.000 of pesetas."


Modified by rjr162 at 12:20 AM 8/6/2004

 

h23VTECs exist on the accord wagons... it's has a nice pretty blue top.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ralpheyizzle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">u can only make h23 vtec by doin a h22/h23 hybrid wit da h22 head on da h23 block and all dese other upgrades but i'm not sure if dats really reliable.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I think it would be a wise idea for you to STFU. Itr's so annoying when people make it seem like they have so much information on a topic, and all they're posting is bullshit. I have a H23A VTEC...and no it's not a Frankenstein!

 

thats what its from then because if u click on the picture link one ... it has a blue top ... thanks guys ... if this is so what are some of the specs of the engine? ... or is it just the 217 hp or ps eninge , forgot which one ...

 

i'm readin bout da topic and stil learnin and a bunch of ppl sed its not reliable.

 

and yet you said that it doesn't come stock anywhere. H23 VTECs do exist without the h22 head with h23 block. Do not misinform people, it does get annoying.

 

Why wouldn't it be reliable? It's a factory Honda motor?

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=893810

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Kal &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">and yet you said that it doesn't come stock anywhere. H23 VTECs do exist without the h22 head with h23 block. Do not misinform people, it does get annoying. </TD></TR></TABLE>

dats not wut i sed. i wuz talkin bout da way to put da h22 head on da h23 block. i'm jus now hearing about the accord wit da h23 vtec. i tol u i'm jus learning.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H23AHybridEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Why wouldn't it be reliable? It's a factory Honda motor?

https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555
https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=893810</TD></TR></TABLE>

and i wuz talkin bout da h22 head on h23 block being unreliable because of the crankshaft. i had no idea about the accord h23 til now.

 

its only as unreliable as the driver

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95 lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its only as unreliable as the driver </TD></TR></TABLE>

good point. so dem guys i talked to must be sum bad drivers. j/k

 

Firs off u izn't not a thug an dis aint da wal-mart parkin' lot. No need to be fronting.

Second: Plenty of Frankenstien motors run very long and strong. Drivers that try to push an H23 crank above reccomended speeds are the ones that lose their motor very quickly. Therein you have a dilemma. It is the builder and the driver that is to blame.

-Many Frankenstien setups are people with H23s that buy an H22 head. Meaning they still have an H23 transmission. Roughly meaning that with a VTEC setup they need to rev higher on the longer gears to not fall out of VTEC.

-Many Frankenstien setups use the stock H23 crankshaft, which isn't the lightweight (relativly) forged piece that the H22 uses. When they rev deep into VTEC like an H22 would, they cause damage to their bottom end, which is further worsened by the above gearing problem.

Or you could just buy the Accord SiR wagon engine and 2.3 it the way Honda intended.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by rjr162 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">i was going to say, i could swear I've read about the Accord Wagon had the H23-VTEC engine, but that was the only car to carry it from the factory.

Found this with a quick search:
It's in spanish so that link will have babelfish translate for you... but it states "The price of the Sling Accord 2,3 4p IS VTEC is 4.000.000 of pesetas."
http://www.altavista.com/babel...es_en
</TD></TR></TABLE>

When I saw that article I though that was a sedan that came with an h23 vtec and a 5 speed stock but then i remembered that I have seen this article before... I'm pretty sure the motor they are talking about is an f23... I can't find anywhere in the article where it says dohc, and it does say that it has A camshaft, even though the article is roughly translated...


Modified by Sam1am26 at 11:29 AM 8/6/2004

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by foshizllmynizl &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I read a few days back that there was no such thing as an h23 vtec motor ... i believe this forums mod. satan said that ... dont quote me on it though ... i ran across this and was kind of confused .... http://www.osakajdmmotors.com/....html ... any one trying to explain. Is that why they have no info under the engine specs ... thanks ... pece</TD></TR></TABLE>

Yeah I said that...and then I got in a time machine and went back 6 months to make this post https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555 where I specifically describe the H23A VTEC motor from the Accord SiR Wagon.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

Yeah I said that...and then I got in a time machine and went back 6 months to make this post https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555 where I specifically describe the H23A VTEC motor from the Accord SiR Wagon.</TD></TR></TABLE>

I posted that same link for this guy, and I guess he STILL didn't believe me !

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by ralpheyizzle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

and i wuz talkin bout da h22 head on h23 block being unreliable because of the crankshaft. i had no idea about the accord h23 til now.</TD></TR></TABLE>

do u no engrish?

 

you guys are all jumping on him, he already said he was talking about the h23 block and h22 head, not the factory motor from the accord wagon in japan, and to the guy who said that the crank fails, thats also majorly in part to the bottom end not having oil squirters to cool the pistons, but mostly to the poor rod ratios, it cant be revved up high like an h22 which to me is pointless if you trying to effectively do the vtec part of it..and H23Ahybrid, im not talking about the factory Honda motor here..only the hybrids being made here...i believe Satan SRV had one, and then was looking into the F20 which would be a destroked h22, and had much better rod ratios, i never did find out what he came up with on that

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PreludeRacer023 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">you guys are all jumping on him, he already said he was talking about the h23 block and h22 head, not the factory motor from the accord wagon in japan, and to the guy who said that the crank fails, thats also majorly in part to the bottom end not having oil squirters to cool the pistons, but mostly to the poor rod ratios, it cant be revved up high like an h22 which to me is pointless if you trying to effectively do the vtec part of it..and H23Ahybrid, im not talking about the factory Honda motor here..only the hybrids being made here...i believe Satan SRV had one, and then was looking into the F20 which would be a destroked h22, and had much better rod ratios, i never did find out what he came up with on that</TD></TR></TABLE>

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by satan_srv &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">Yeah I said that...and then I got in a time machine and went back 6 months to make this post https://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=641555 where I specifically describe the H23A VTEC motor from the Accord SiR Wagon.</TD></TR></TABLE>

My bad ... forgot about that section ... lol havent been there since i signed up ...

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by H23AHybridEG &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">I posted that same link for this guy, and I guess he STILL didn't believe me !</TD></TR></TABLE>

I did believe you thats why i didnt post unitll now ...

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by 95 lude &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">its only as unreliable as the driver </TD></TR></TABLE>

Well damn, I'm screwed then!

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by Freemantle &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">
Drivers that try to push an H23 crank above reccomended speeds are the ones that lose their motor very quickly.

...

Roughly meaning that with a VTEC setup they need to rev higher on the longer gears to not fall out of VTEC.

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-Many Frankenstien setups use the stock H23 crankshaft, which isn't the lightweight (relativly) forged piece that the H22 uses. When they rev deep into VTEC like an H22 would, they cause damage to their bottom end, which is further worsened by the above gearing problem.
</TD></TR></TABLE>

It is not necessarily true that the H23 VTEC needs to be revved out to stay in VTEC. If you get it tuned w/ a VAFC, you will see that the VTEC xover needs to be dropped significantly due to more air being flowed. This makes it much easier to stay in VTEC, even though that was never an issue with the new motor's much wider powerband.

Also, the H23 and H22 crankshafts are made the exact same way using the same materials....and the H23 crank is, in fact, lighter than the H22 crank.

Search for my thread using "H23 H22 crank truth".

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by PreludeRacer023 &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote"> and to the guy who said that the crank fails, thats also majorly in part to the bottom end not having oil squirters to cool the pistons, but mostly to the poor rod ratios, it cant be revved up high like an h22 which to me is pointless if you trying to effectively do the vtec part of it</TD></TR></TABLE>

I'll disagree here, too. I believe that the oil squirters are not needed, and the motor may be better off without them. I would only use them if the motor was going to be held at high RPM's for extended amounts of time. Otherwise, the oil pressure is needed at the bearings.

 

<TABLE WIDTH="90%" CELLSPACING=0 CELLPADDING=0 ALIGN=CENTER><TR><TD>Quote, originally posted by LudeyKrus &raquo;</TD></TR><TR><TD CLASS="quote">

I'll disagree here, too. I believe that the oil squirters are not needed, and the motor may be better off without them. I would only use them if the motor was going to be held at high RPM's for extended amounts of time. Otherwise, the oil pressure is needed at the bearings.</TD></TR></TABLE>

yup.. i didn't even have the option for oil squirters in my F block, but i don't care.. i like having the oil at the mains and at the rod bearings,

 

What kinda ECU are you using on your H23 block with an H22 Vtec head?